Doesn't everyone think that in a debate? I'm pretty sure you think your right.

First you need to give your definition of a "solid argument." Besides I should be asking you questions, because you are the one with responsibility of proving.

So my basic question is (just to give me a place to start): How do you know the Bible's God exists?

now, throughout several centuries before Jesus, there existed prophecies that foretold Jesus and his life....not one or two, but literally hundreds:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html
for example, the prophet Daniel said that the messiah would come before the destruction of the jewish temple in Daniel 9:24-26.... here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_ (70) this is a historical fact and it happened after Jesus died.
now the people who wrote these never saw or knew each other. they all existed throughout a span of several centuries. its a fact these writings existed before Jesus, we only have to date them...it also was not just one or two prophets, but over 40. its either all one giant conspiracy or its the truth, keeping in mind evidence is not all that is required, but also a willingness to know the truth

so basically God and his plan has been revealed to us through the prophets, but please dont look at my answer and see it as the "ultimate proof"...its very brief and i suggest you look into it more
http://iconoclast.us/reference/yeshua_is_messiah.php

we'll go from here

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if you actually study psychology this patterns occur when one doubts himself and his abilities a DIVINE being that knows the highest echelons of consciousness can't fall for emotions like hatred or even love because he is DIVINE that given he reached the highest forms of serenity by being DIVINE so he inherently can't fall for such emotions by falling for such emotions psychological studies shows us that one can't be divine at all in fact by his psychological pattern we deduce that this biblical God is man made because it incorporates everything from our psychology even the bad side of our psychology and even if this biblical God exists there is a high probability he is not perfect at all

LOL quoting the Torah and interpreting shit from there is not proof that people foretold the birth of Jesus that is an old technique called Supressionism if study letters and writing this style appears in all religions

Isn't the bible supposed to be the word of god? So how the fuck can you keep on using it as a fixture of evidence????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Do you understand that???????????????????

And by the way the video I posted is not "evidence." It was simply a collection of well known points that I didn't feel like typing.

To continue upon what Menace was saying, Sodr you have to also understand the bizarre psychology of human beings as well. How do you not see the pattern with people and their religions. Every tribe on the planet has had some faith in a god. Don't you understand that this phenomenon is simply common in the primitive minds of all humans? African tirbes, Indian tribes, Aboriginal Tribes, the list goes on. They all have had some absurd notion that (a) powerful being(s) is responsible for all things. A few of these beliefs have survived into the major religions.

For some reason in our minds we always find it necessary to believe that we are somehow doomed or damned. Egyptians had this idea, as well as many Indian tribes, and they thought they could prevent this doom through sacrifice and rituals in an attempt to satisfy their god(s). Even the ancient Greek and Romans had this same "damnation complex." Pandora's box was the equivelant to the Adam & Eve farce of Chrisianity. It involved a woman who through her temptation damned the world. That's just one example. Look into all the major religions and the major tribal religions and you will find compelling similarities in the way the beliefs are portrayed. This is because all humans have the same psychology. All the primitive people in history shared the same capacity to logically think. As people's capacity to reason became greater through time, complex societies began to develop, and oddly enough many of these people maintained these beliefs. They did this because their belief system had become a foundation and an establishment, a tradition in a way, built by past primitive people that didn't know any better. And it was shameful to question or break this tradition despite their advancing ability to reason. Yet some had the strength to question these traditional beliefs, therein Atheism was born. Furthermore, science grew stonger and provided an authority to Atheism. Science began solidifying Atheist arguments. And that is when religion started to get fucked. Now, theists love to mystify the past and the primitive people that developed this Christian philosophy. But the reality is, they were just men, writing, and pondering.

Yet in disregard of all the major ideas provided by philosophy and realized by master thinkers throughout recent times, you remain consistantly convinced that your ancient philosophy somehow tops or out-thinks modern schools of thought. You act as if the human ability to reason hasn't changed in man. Throughout the centuries man's mind has evolved more powerful to comprehend the mysterious wonders of the world. The actual cognitive matter in the skull has not changed. What has changed is the standard upon which society builds it's logic. As I've said before logic builds upon previous logic, and reason builds upon previous reason. Humans have always had the same biological ability to reason, they just had never discovered what was to be found. And now as we progress into the future our mind are finding what is to be found, and at the same time functions to build upon the accumulated understanding that man has collected through logic and reason over time. Yet you remain fixed to your dead philosophy. Why?

On top of that, you have the nerve to question the science that invented your computer screen. You utilize the accomplishments of science when ever possible, yet dismiss it when it speaks on the origin of man. It is fact that almost all major scientists in the world are skeptics of religion, yet they are bringing us wonders that were unimaginable even 100 years ago. Yet some how in your mind they are wrong when it comes to mankind's origin. How do you account for that?

Because this becomes the problem with some Atheists, they only repeat the original thought of other Athiest, therefore limiting their own understanding to someone else's thoughts. You have to have come to these conclusions on your own to be truely credible. Of course there is no way of proving that, but eventually it will become apparent. Now you don't have to have come to every conclusion on your own, but the major ideas you should conclude by yourself. I try to avoid outside Athiest ideas, so that I can internally strengthen my own by myself, and the seldom instances when I am exposed to other Athiest influence, it usually only functions to further reaffirm my own thoughts. So my point is, don't copy and paste shit like that without stating so. It is important to realize things on your own. It is more sincere that way, and there is an inborn passion that will drive your reasoning. Anyways back to the topic. (8Diagrams no diss by the way)

Now Sodr, due to Menace's and my statements, we seem to be on the psychology aspect of things for now. I would ask everyone else to try to bring psychology arguments into this discussion for the sake of the debate's organization. So Sodr (or anyone else), don't go taking this off on some wild tangent. It will be much easier for all of us to clearly get our points across if we stay on regional topic, until we all feel satisfied to move to the next, whatever it may be (philosophy, epistomology, science, history).

YOU HAVE A PIECE OF WRITING...it says some guy from Bethlahem will come, be rejected by his people, crucified, and redeem mankind.....then a few hundred years later, here comes along a guy named Jesus who fulfills them all!

its not hard....now just add hundreds of more writtings that predict the exact same thing. that IS the evidence of Christianity, what do you want me to do?? find some evidence from the quran or the book of mormon?!?!?!?!?!?? the Bible is what you get (ps NOT one book), there is no other evidence that you'll hear for a Christian's beliefs.....its not like im a hindu saying vishnu exists because it says so in my holy book.....the Bible are historical documents, written by real people who said and did real things. i'm not quoting the Bible where it says "God exists" and using that as evidence, i'm using the fulfilled prophecies that were all collected and made into the Bible

now you and menace are ignoring what i'm saying and going off of 'psychology' arguments.....what i said was above was good, and you didnt look into it...you yourself said

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now, throughout several centuries before Jesus, there existed prophecies that foretold Jesus and his life....not one or two, but literally hundreds:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html
for example, the prophet Daniel said that the messiah would come before the destruction of the jewish temple in Daniel 9:24-26.... here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_ (70) this is a historical fact and it happened after Jesus died.
now the people who wrote these never saw or knew each other. they all existed throughout a span of several centuries. its a fact these writings existed before Jesus, we only have to date them...it also was not just one or two prophets, but over 40. its either all one giant conspiracy or its the truth, keeping in mind evidence is not all that is required, but also a willingness to know the truth

so basically God and his plan has been revealed to us through the prophets, but please dont look at my answer and see it as the "ultimate proof"...its very brief and i suggest you look into it more
http://iconoclast.us/reference/yeshua_is_messiah.php

we'll go from here (after, i can quote what you and menace said on the previous page and discuss that if you want)

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

You keep on claiming that I'm ignoring your post? I'm responding to it. I'm digging at the foundation of your evidence.

Now to an extent their is some historical truth to some of the info in those links. But that is only history. The accurate history is not evidence of God or anything divine. The history is separate from the divine aspect of the bible. Sure the writers of the bible may have gotten some of the history right, but that's has nothing to do with the bullshit in the bible. You can't use the history as evidence for the bullshit. Their is always some history incorporated into fiction.

(This is in no way intended to be "evidence" or much apart of my current argument. It is simply a supplementary voice to make you think, or insult you, whichever you want it to be. Although, he does say it like it is.)