the same psychological critique can be applied to God whit his angels as we applied to God and humans is pretty much the same shit smells funky really really funk and i think shit got lost in translation too

lol...what do i do?

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

if you had children wouldn't you expect them to respect you? is that imperfect? is that wrong? no.

but anyways you know that we were made in God's image? we were initially perfect and sinless....God gave us emotions, they come from HIM and so he also has them as well....why is emotions a weakness? why should it be? a weakness would definitely be if one was unable to control how they respond/react to these emotions...for eg. if someone punched me, and i was filled with anger, it means nothing, i can still be "perfect"...however, if i punch him back, then i'll be defeated by my emotions and you would consider me weak....and we all know God responds and deals with everything justly.

don't know if this is relevant....
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (Numbers 23:19)

does the bible say God created us imperfect? no. God initially made us perfect and sinless...and he loves us obviously since we're his creation, that he wants to have a relationship with us. we know you cant force love on someone...if i was a muslim i could probably force a woman to marry me, but there would never be that true love.....so what does God do? he gives us freewill, the ability to choose him or reject him...unfortunately, we rejected him, therefore kicked out of "the garden", ie perfection and were punished to imperfection

Jeremiah 15:7
I will winnow them with a winnowing fork at the city gates of the land. I will bring bereavement and destruction on my people, for they have not changed their ways.

FOR....BECAUSE....the REASON for "destroying and killing" is because "they have not changed their ways."

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LOL, good luck reading....i dont suppose some of it is worth the time tho

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

the bible says God is love, all his attributes come from love. even anger, jealous they come from love, jealousy and anger isn't always right but there are times where you have a right to feel angry or even jealous, when its right to feel that way that isn't imperfection that comes out of the love that God or even a person has

The problem with emotions is that they are clearly developed by evolution as a mechanism for communication and survival. Think about it, if something could have the ability to create wonders of the universe, why would he have simple primitive emotions?

Read the thread in this forum. I don't support what they are saying but I feel it is good for a religious person to see.
http://www.puritanboard.com/f17/does-god-have-emotions-10189/

So why did God create anything in the first place? Why would he create such a headache? What is the ultimate goal? So we can suck his dick for eternity in heaven? Speaking of that, why is he refered to as he? Could it be the primitive idea of oppresion of women in ancient times??

Why did he create animals? They can't worship him. What is the point of them existing if everything was once pure and somehow nothing ate each other?

By the way, do you realize that science is the true way to get to God. Eventually man will find what ever started the universe and if it just so happens to be a god then so be it. But essentially science will find the truth, not the bible.

Anyways, if god is so powerful why doesn't he just destroy the devil. Or reveal himself in modern times to prove to everyone that he exists so that people don't have to be skeptical. If he is all-knowing then he should understand why some humans don't believe. Rather we are "evil" or not, we are supposed to be his "creations" that means he would have given us the capacity to be evil (if you're saying the devil made people evil, well that basically says that he is more powerful than God by turning God's perfection imperfect [catch the rest of this when we go into logic). God is supposed to be all-powerful therefore he can control everything and he will know the outcome, rather we have free will or not. So why the games? He knows what the end result will be at revelation, and he should know who will chose to follow him in the end. So why all this bullshit beforehand? It's self-defeating.

Sigmund Freud, the father of modern psychology understood all religious beliefs as illusions and called religion "the obsessional neurosis of humanity." He realized that all religions are delusionary. Right with everything else, but when it comes to religion I assume this man is somehow wrong?

Beings this whole emotion/psychology argument isn't being understood, as clear as it is, I feel we should move on to arguments of logic.
So...
...to continue from the above middle, the devil in a way is more powerful than god. The devil is winning by turning only one person evil. And as it seems now, god and Satan seem to be at a pretty even pace. No one is supposed to be as powerful as god.

God created hell. Why? To give evil people a place to go, at which point he would prove to Satan that the people would come to god and love, not Satan and hate? Well then God created his own problem. Why didn’t god destroy Satan in the first place so that Satan would never have the opportunity to ruin god’s creations. God is supposed to be all-knowing so he should have known this from the beginning. He should have known he was going to have an angel defy him and all that bullshit. Why didn’t he stop it before it started. But wait, he is supposed to be in control of everything, so therefore he made it happen. Logically it defeats itself.

yes, i do. that is why i said it. lol! i know it is hard for most people to understand because other people i've spoken to have a hard time understanding it.

also, God's omnipresence would require him to reside in hell an even inside the devil as well. do you agree sodr?

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Yes God denies his divinity trough having emotions because if he is DIVINE he must be at the highest forms of serenity and emotions and serenity don't go together

yup right on and Sodr2 and Emseed ; Emotions are very complex that necessitates good and evil ; ying and yang we can even look in eastern philosophy and see that Monks that try to mediate on ying and yang happen to get rid of emotions and live in a self perpetuated serenity this God happens to have emotions and whit the complex pack of emotions comes the negative side of them too so he inherently is not divine if he has negative emotions

who's to say? who are we to limit God or say what God can or can't do

God, according to Christianity, is limited to perfection. this alone, if you believe it, is a contradiction of your statement. when you attribute perfection to God you limit him to doing only what specifically pertains to perfection. to be perfect God must pertain to perfection at all times. human emotions are imperfect. they directly oppose rationality. when you act upon emotions you act against your better judgment, sometimes getting lucky and doing what we define as the "right" thing (i do not believe in objective morality, therefore i put the word right in quotations). when you act upon your intellect you rationalize and act "right" to the best of your knowledge. if God ever acts upon emotions he is being imperfect. seriously though, forget about calling God perfect anyways. the human concept of perfection is an unreachable paradox. saying God has emotions is fine, just don't try to attribute perfection to him if you attribute emotions to him as well, because they are contradictory to each other just as the concept of perfection itself.

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but that has no logic he goes against the definition of divine ; divine plus emotions don't fit they are incompatible