2 Corinthians 6:14
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Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

i wish to continue this but im caught up with school

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"if your giving a lector and some one expresses a different opinion do you throw him, or clarify your point and show why he is wrong.

if God had killed satan then and there is would have only proven satan's point was correct. and maybe some one else would have taken his place
instead he used satan as part of his master plan to show how, God is correct and satan isn't.
if God destroyed everyone every time they disagree or wavered in the slightest, then everyone would only worship him out of fear and not out of love."

so a DIVINE being is presented in a piece of bread or whatever that is ??

but he is Divine and these plans are like the plans from Oceans Thirteen LOL it does not make sense

man Sodr2 i like your passion on this but try to get straight to the point

I said in modern times. The Eucharist does not reveal "God" in anyway.

You said it is all apart of his masterplan. Well then god is responsible for all the horrors in the world.

You have a father and a son....the son went out and murdered someone....are you telling me that the father is responsible for his son's actions? should the father go to jail? but you're saying if the father knew of his son's actions before he was born, then the father would be guilty....(minutes of thinking later) lol, i like THIS argument....ill be humble and say i dont know...at the moment, why didn't God just halt creating in the beginning if he knew people would be suffering, but ill be looking into it and get back at it

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God (probably) does act upon emotions, but He is only doing what is RIGHT, 100% of the time, never "getting luck" as you put it, He is perfect, therefore He knows how to act rationally according to whatever....human beings however can let their emotions overpower them and act against their better judgement, but that's only because they are HUMANS with emotions. i still don't see how emotions ALONE are imperfect

for example, when Jesus was crucified, He obviously was in pain and shame, feeling sad....did He send angels to come down and save Him just because He had these emotions? no, He acted justly and permitted it to happen because it was right, in order to redeem humanity (or rather each one of us personally)

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p.s. eboyd, what kind of a god would not be perfect? an "imperfect god" is more of an oxymoron, dont you think?

seriously, if you assumed a god exists, wouldn't it be obvious that he is perfect?

and i-guy, what do you think of my answer to why didn't God destroy satan...is it satisfactory or what?

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

So explain to me this:

(A past argument) Why wasn't god more clear when explaining creation so that more people would believe. He should have known their would be justified non-believers. It's kind of unfair to expect his "creations" to believe with such a lousy source (Bible) of information.

Anyways, on to more logic:

1. Sodr, do you believe in fossils? If you do, you should be aware that there are many layers of sediment that are records of the Earth's past. Within these layers exist fossils of ancient creatures. The Earth has modern creatures and it has ancient creatures. Are you aware that there are no fossils of modern creatures in ancient layers? What does that tell you? Evolution becomes quite clear. How do you explain the absence of, let's say an African Giraffe in the ancient layers of the earth? If god created all creatures at the same time, then there would be a uniform mix of fossils from all creatures through a very thick layer in the Earth's crust.

2. How would you account for the likelihood of alien life? If you think there is no alien life, why did he create so many planets dead?

3. Why is it the intelligencia of the planet do not believe in god?

4. How do you account for Neanderthals and other ancient humanoids?

5. How do you account for the horrible diseases in the world? God's creations?

It's so funny because religion sits back with its assumption feeling justified by the Bible, meanwhile science busts its ass to find the real answers and gets no respect, if fact it gets disrespect. For what? For trying to look into the truth?

btw i-guy eboyd or menace didnt even get a chance to respond to my thing about emotions...its tough to tackle everyone at one time, especially sinec i got no one with me

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

I definitely see what you're getting at but god created us in his imitation, which may be why both god and men have emotions. If god can love then why can't he hate? Also, wouldn't you need emotions of some sort to even care about humans? He must be attached to us in some way as a father would be to a son. If your son behaves bad, disowns you or something like that and you do love him (we're told God loves us, humans) then you're going to be hurt and eventually mad. There's a thin line between love and hate.

FYI though I'm not a fundamentalist, I don't believe that because something is written in the Bible it HAS to be the truth. After all, there's several forms of Abrahamic testaments and we all essentially believe in the same god. I believe in god and I believe in a lot that most religions preach, anyone see the Dalai Lama interview the other day? That man is admirable, really. After all the Chinese people have done to him and his nation, he's not even mad at them. He even says that he sympathized with the Chinese Officers that gave the orders to stop the protestants back in 2008 as it will help yourself gain inner peace rather than be angry at them as it's not healthy.

Every religion preaches that more or less, peace, compassion etc. I could see why you'd want God to be like that too since a man can do that - Dalai Lama. I think though that if pushed far enough Dalai Lama AS a human being like the rest of us could break, be angry and something like that and it might be the same as God but if you regret what you've done God forgives you. Either way I believe in living a good life.

well if Dalai Lama reached some high consciousness and acts the way he acts how God can he on the HIGHEST level of consciousness and acts like he acts ?? that makes no sense the portrayal of God in the bible on a psychological level is to humanly even religious people can admit that something is not right in the bible and yaal gotta admit it

Beings the bible's god is a human creation, humans apply their psychology to him because humans cannot break their own psyche. Study psychology god damnit! There is alot to understand about the brain and how it fools itself in several ways.

I'm not sure if he even hated anybody, probably not (it didn't say so in anything I've read at least) but he was mad for sure. I haven't read anywhere that the devil created anger/hate either. It seems like when he and the other angels fell from heaven he had an argument with god or something like that and so I believe they were both a bit angry.

Was it the devil that created that Apple by the way or God? God created the devil so essentially God created hate? (Assuming that the devil did do that).

Am speaking as if everything in the bible was the truth as well, I may not believe in everything in there but I believe in the basics. As for the motives, why does a father care for his son/daughter? Because he/she could potentially become rich in the future and bring him wealth? Because he finally gets someone to clean up his house? Someone he can use to do this and that? You can't break love down like that. For an example you're born loving your mother, it's not something you choose to do, it's not because you have something at stake (breastmilk?) It's just there when you're born and it happens on the mother's side too. As for the father the vast majority of them love their children as well so why can't God love his?

Tell me I_Guy, who told you that God can't be compared to humans? God himself? There's no scientific research on that, no proof. God's creations were imitations of him so it's only natural that they gain all of his traits. I don't get how I can't compare a creator to creations IF the creator intended for the creations to be just like him. Again, you were speaking as if you believed in God but still that there was any scientific proof for him not being like humans (there is none, if you're going to talk from a Christian's perspective then understand that if God hasn't stated it then how in the world do you know? I'll assume that you're not a scientist and that you haven't performed any psychological exams on any other gods so really, you have nothing what so ever to back up the "you're direly mistaken" statement.)