Hope is lost EXACTLY

why fight something that wont be changed or fixed

just live with it thats why we are a dying breed. We wont survive

And first of all, human nature is a complex thing. If, by human nature, it is meant "what humans do," it is obvious that human nature is contradictory -- love and hate, compassion and heartlessness, peace and violence, and so on, have all been expressed by people and so are all products of "human nature." Of course, what is considered "human nature" can change with changing social circumstances. For example, slavery was considered part of "human nature" and "normal" for thousands of years. Homosexuality was considered perfectly normal by the ancient Greeks yet thousands of years later the Christian church denounced it as unnatural. War only become part of "human nature" once states developed. Hence Chomsky says :Individuals are certainly capable of evil . . . But individuals are capable of all sorts of things. Human nature has lots of ways of realising itself, humans have lots of capacities and options. Which ones reveal themselves depends to a large extent on the institutional structures. If we had institutions which permitted pathological killers free rein, they'd be running the place. The only way to survive would be to let those elements of your nature manifest themselves.

"If we have institutions which make greed the sole property of human beings and encourage pure greed at the expense of other human emotions and commitments, we're going to have a society based on greed, with all that follows. A different society might be organised in such a way that human feelings and emotions of other sorts, say, solidarity, support, sympathy become dominant. Then you'll have different aspects of human nature and personality revealing themselves."

That is not true

there is a diffrence between whats VIEWED as normal and human nature

You put this idea in effect and you will see that it will always be over turned

look im saying it wont work

Show me where it has worked in mass not just isolated cases then i will believe if not

IT WONT WORK

I never said it did

Yall want to change something that doesnt want to be change for some reason or another

Thats not my decsion thats theres

The MAJORITY of people complain about this and that and dont do anything about it

there will always be a power structure there always has and there always

in our reality this wont work

Anarchist Catalonia
The Paris Commune
Free Territory Of Ukraine
Israeli kibbutz ( this worked for 2 centuries on this principle )

Good example. Ancient Greece and the Israeli kibbutz are the best examples of long term self management

And who's going to teach/hire the new people? Let's all have a vote? People would feel less inclined to help others as well and would probably not do much work. You need a leader, even if you're going to vote on 'let's do this this way or that way' what if you disagree? Someone has to decide.

Anyway I'll probably read it all tomorrow and post something more sensible.. I don't believe in democracy really, there's always some 'higher power' that rules regardless. You can choose some of the people who will then dictate you, you won't have shit to say about their decisions for the most part. Anarchy won't work either or communism, there's nothing motivating people to work or do good and that's what you need all people to do for society to function properly.

I never said that worked

But more power to ya if you will change things and hopefully its permanant

yo WTF man ?? more power to him ?? man Erik can suck a duck you god darn hippies