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Timothy McViegh's essays on America and the Murrah Bombings.
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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 6:57 PM | Message # 16 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) I have no idea what your talking about. Because right now, if you are on the left wing, you are treated very well by people. Right now, everyone over here is for the legalization of Gay Marraige, Pot, Gambling, all that shit. People are trying to be like hippies and shit. I mean thats what I see at least. And about Timothy McViegh... He is saying alot of the same stuff I would hear from a ultra-left-winger. "The government is all fucked up and blah blah blah let's have some sort of revolution blah blah I'm gonna change things." I'm really starting to get fed up with who is right wing and who is left wing. I.Don't.Give.A.Fuck.
Either way, they are fucking idiots for classifying themselves into a group, yet some of them call their ways of thinking "different".
Fuck all the left wing right wing bullshit. I honestly think that most people want the same shit, but we all just have different ways of achieving what we want. Set all political prisoners from the US free then if the left wing is treated good in the US . In the US political prisoners exist which are in prison because they are leftists they are anarchists , socialists etc. You don't understand basic political and economics any people who understands it will see the HYPOCRISY of this dude . Revolution ? maybe a minutemen revolution where all immigrants will be deported from the US . Make a difference between a radical right wing revolution and a left wing one .
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 7:45 PM | Message # 17 |
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Quote (Menace) Set all political prisoners from the US free then if the left wing is treated good in the US . In the US political prisoners exist which are in prison because they are leftists they are anarchists , socialists etc. You don't understand basic political and economics any people who understands it will see the HYPOCRISY of this dude . Revolution ? maybe a minutemen revolution where all immigrants will be deported from the US . Make a difference between a radical right wing revolution and a left wing on
I see your point.
But on the other hand, what Timothy Mcveigh did is still essientially getting accomplished what the leftists want to be done. A complete overthrow of the government. "You don't understand basic political and economics any people who understands it will see the HYPOCRISY of this dude"
Why else do you think I am on this site, besides the musical side of it?
Because I learn more about politics here than I do anywhere else.
And what do you mean by simple economics?
I know basic rules of it. Supply and Demand, Investing, Trading for services, Shit like that. I'm starting to wonder if maybe your so far ahead of me that you see me as totally ignorant. I mean I can't help that I just jumped on this left-boat about 2 months ago, or else I would know alot more. I can't control that I am ignorant now, but I can make sure I'm not ignorant in the time to come. That's all I can do.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 1:34 AM | Message # 18 |
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Quote (Menace) It has , this shows the hypocrisy of the US justice system who cares? we're not talking about the man Timothy McVeigh right now, we're talking about a critique of a corrupt government. if Bakunin was a mass murdering child rapist who hung animals on hooks by their testicles in his basement and force-bathed his mother in feces, would you not still gravitate towards his writings? if you say no i will seriously eat my own liver. Quote (ilikebacon3000) Because right now, if you are on the left wing, you are treated very well by people. you don't have a very good concept of what right and left wing really mean, eh?
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 1:36 AM | Message # 19 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) I see your point. But on the other hand, what Timothy Mcveigh did is still essientially getting accomplished what the leftists want to be done. A complete overthrow of the government. "You don't understand basic political and economics any people who understands it will see the HYPOCRISY of this dude"
Why else do you think I am on this site, besides the musical side of it?
Because I learn more about politics here than I do anywhere else.
And what do you mean by simple economics?
I know basic rules of it. Supply and Demand, Investing, Trading for services, Shit like that. I'm starting to wonder if maybe your so far ahead of me that you see me as totally ignorant. I mean I can't help that I just jumped on this left-boat about 2 months ago, or else I would know alot more. I can't control that I am ignorant now, but I can make sure I'm not ignorant in the time to come. That's all I can do. just try keeping up. for 15 you are doing fantastic thus far.
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 2:45 AM | Message # 20 |
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Quote (eboyd) you don't have a very good concept of what right and left wing really mean, eh?
Well I mean I just don't see the point in classifying yourself as right or left. Either way, your giving into their way of thinking. Who the fuck is to say what I think is left, or right?
What I think is what I think. It's not left, right, or north, or south. It is what I think. Same with you. Why identify with one side when you can just say "Fuck it" and think on your own? Sure, both sides have their sides (Liberal Conservative, Conservative liberal) and all that. But it's bullshit. You are you. You are not left or right. Quote (eboyd) just try keeping up. for 15 you are doing fantastic thus far.
Why thank you kind sir!
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 3:45 AM | Message # 21 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) Well I mean I just don't see the point in classifying yourself as right or left. Either way, your giving into their way of thinking. Who the fuck is to say what I think is left, or right?
What I think is what I think. It's not left, right, or north, or south. It is what I think. Same with you. Why identify with one side when you can just say "Fuck it" and think on your own? Sure, both sides have their sides (Liberal Conservative, Conservative liberal) and all that. But it's bullshit. You are you. You are not left or right. i mean all labels are words. why identify as human? you are this combination of atoms that makes up who you are, and atoms are just small things that are the building blocks of matter... you get where i'm going with this, right? Quote (ilikebacon3000) Why thank you kind sir! np
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 5:54 AM | Message # 22 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) I can't control that I am ignorant now, but I can make sure I'm not ignorant in the time to come. That's all I can do.
Respect. Quote (ilikebacon3000) Well I mean I just don't see the point in classifying yourself as right or left. Either way, your giving into their way of thinking. Who the fuck is to say what I think is left, or right?
It's the human tendency to categorize and label. It creates organization in our thoughts, because we are currently incapable of juggling enough information to go without labels and categories. Going without labels or categories would essentially be linguistic chaos. Our entire language is based on labels and categories. No one would be able to relate to each other if we had none. No one would be able to rally up for a revolution because they wouldn't be able to easily find each other and turn towards common goals. The process would be far to rigorous. I know what you mean though. Labeling creates associations that can mislead and lead to mistaken understandings/conclusions/implications/reasoning etc. all kinds of things. But it is the best we got to work with. Deconstructionism in language deals with the difficulty of these issues. The only way we could go without labels and categories is if maybe we could read each others minds. And that doesn't seem quite possible at this point. 
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 7:26 PM | Message # 23 |
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A radical right winger criticizing US foreign policy is pure hypocrisy . Even liberals are hypocrites for criticizing US foreign policy. Quote (eboyd) who cares? we're not talking about the man Timothy McVeigh right now, we're talking about a critique of a corrupt government. if Bakunin was a mass murdering child rapist who hung animals on hooks by their testicles in his basement and force-bathed his mother in feces, would you not still gravitate towards his writings? if you say no i will seriously eat my own liver. I can't stand hypocrites  and this dude was one .
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 11:39 PM | Message # 24 |
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Quote (Menace) I can't stand hypocrites and this dude was one . what if everyone was a hypocrite? even Bakunin, Proudhon, Tucker, Goldman, Kropotkin, etc.? would you not still look at their writings and get something from them? for example, i don't even believe Socrates existed, but i still get a lot out of quotes like "the unexamined life is not worth living". wtf does it matter who Timothy McVeigh was. let's pretend he didn't even write that shit. now go read what is written at the links bacon posted. are those essays not correct in their criticism of the US government?
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| Dookie |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 4:39 AM | Message # 25 |
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Has anyone read the Unabomber Manifesto, ive only skimmed over a short version on wikipedia but the dude makes some really good points, i just found a link and will read it tonight. http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt He talks about the need for a "revolution" against industrial society and the psychological and physical consequences of this industrial society against people and the environment. Its rather good work.
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Tuesday, 19/Jan/10, 11:29 PM | Message # 26 |
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Quote (eboyd) wtf does it matter who Timothy McVeigh was. let's pretend he didn't even write that shit. now go read what is written at the links bacon posted. are those essays not correct in their criticism of the US government?
Respect Respect Respect. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Quote (Dookie) He talks about the need for a "revolution" against industrial society and the psychological and physical consequences of this industrial society against people and the environment. Its rather good work.
I'll check it out.
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Sunday, 31/Jan/10, 9:57 PM | Message # 27 |
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McVeigh was a scapegoat, in my opinion.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 31/Jan/10, 11:52 PM | Message # 28 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) McVeigh was a scapegoat, in my opinion. I don't necessarily disagree, but I wanted to ask if you could elaborate. What exactly do you mean by that statement? Who/what was he a scapegoat for, in what way and why?
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 01/Feb/10, 0:36 AM | Message # 29 |
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I honestly think he was using his accusations of the abuse of power of the govn't as a scapegoat for his bombings. That fool just wanted to bomb some shit. A fucking twat... why the fuck would you think it's justified to kill people? If he was trying to send out a message then bombing a bunch of buildings obviously didn't do a good job sending it. There are much more effective ways of spreading the message that the US govn't is abusing its power. This is the first time I heard his reasoning behind this. I'm sure many people aren't aware of this. It's no fucking excuse for what he did, and it's depressing to see people supporting his actions. Two wrongs don't make a right. And I'm not speakin for Alcatraz. I dunno what he meant.
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| eboyd |
Date: Monday, 01/Feb/10, 2:24 AM | Message # 30 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) I honestly think he was using his accusations of the abuse of power of the govn't as a scapegoat for his bombings. That fool just wanted to bomb some shit. A fucking twat... why the fuck would you think it's justified to kill people? If he was trying to send out a message then bombing a bunch of buildings obviously didn't do a good job sending it. There are much more effective ways of spreading the message that the US govn't is abusing its power. This is the first time I heard his reasoning behind this. I'm sure many people aren't aware of this. It's no fucking excuse for what he did, and it's depressing to see people supporting his actions. Two wrongs don't make a right. And I'm not speakin for Alcatraz. I dunno what he meant. idk how many times we have to explain this but none of us were supporting his actions. we were seeing what he had to say and, being open minded, we noticed that he had good reasons to be MAD, but bombing was unjustified. this is important because this is the same exact way that the attackers of 9-11 tried to justify their actions (using such examples as the Al Shifa pharmaceutical bombing) and they were successfully able to build support, even though most didn't agree with the way they planned to take action, because of what they were using to try to justify what they were going to do. i highly doubt McVeigh and the Taliban just wanted to "blow some shit up". i think they are products of their environment and they wouldn't have done what they did had it been that they lived in a society where they weren't controlled by a supreme, corrupt authority, aka the US government and CIA.
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