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Timothy McViegh's essays on America and the Murrah Bombings.
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Wednesday, 13/Jan/10, 0:45 AM | Message # 1 |
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So I was reading about the Murrah Bombing in 1995, when I came across some articles on Timothy McViegh... He apperently wrote two essays in prison, "I herein explain why I bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City" and "An Essay on Hypocrisy".
At first thought, you might think I am giving praise to a terrorist.. Wait... I am. I am giving praise to a terrorist who killed 168 people, 18 of which were children, and one of which was my dad's best friend.
But please remember, I am not praising the fact that he killed those people. I am not praising that fact that he sees violence as a way to solve his problems. I am praising the fact that he at least made a logical attempt, which in many ways makes alot of sense, to explain why he did what he did.
Soak it in. "An essay on Hypocrisy"
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/mcveigh/okcaug98.htm Why I bombed the.....
http://www.sherdog.net/forums....1030774
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 13/Jan/10, 5:40 AM | Message # 2 |
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Yeah, my dad explained Timothy McVeigh's reasons for the bombings to me on the way through OKC when we were headed to MS in August. The FBI was involved in some shady shit for sure. I'll be reading these asap.
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| Menace |
Date: Wednesday, 13/Jan/10, 6:55 PM | Message # 3 |
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I would personally shoot this dude . This dude embodies the extremist principles of these right wing so called "militia" men also called " Minutemen ".
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 13/Jan/10, 9:43 PM | Message # 4 |
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Dude, Menace, you can't deny that, while what he did was completely wrong and even though the only reason I don't think he deserved the death penalty is because I don't think anyone does, he actually had a point and a reason to be against the government. I don't at all condone any sort of eye-for-an-eye act, especially when both acts involve the murder of hundreds of innocent people, but his critique of the acts of the government agencies involved in Waco and other situations were pretty spot on.
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Wednesday, 13/Jan/10, 11:02 PM | Message # 5 |
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Quote (Menace) I would personally shoot this dude
Why the fuck would you do that?
Nothing justifys killing 168 innocent people.
But think about it. America bombs Al-Queda safe-havens all the time. Alot of the time they just assume that leaders are in there, and they aren't. They end up killing hundreds of innocent people.
Anyone who works for the state of a country which we are at war with is considered a terrorist. So what makes our state employees anymore innocent then theirs? What makes our people somehow less innocent? We show no regard for innocent people over there. We never have.
Look at Japan. We didn't prove shit except that we can kill thousands of women and children..... I mean shit. This dude has some great points. And if my dad's best friend died in this, and I see the logic (the logic, not the right or wrong of it), then he must have some sort of point...
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| Menace |
Date: Thursday, 14/Jan/10, 9:18 AM | Message # 6 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) Why the fuck would you do that? Nothing justifys killing 168 innocent people. But think about it. America bombs Al-Queda safe-havens all the time. Alot of the time they just assume that leaders are in there, and they aren't. They end up killing hundreds of innocent people. Anyone who works for the state of a country which we are at war with is considered a terrorist. So what makes our state employees anymore innocent then theirs? What makes our people somehow less innocent? We show no regard for innocent people over there. We never have. Look at Japan. We didn't prove shit except that we can kill thousands of women and children..... I mean shit. This dude has some great points. And if my dad's best friend died in this, and I see the logic (the logic, not the right or wrong of it), then he must have some sort of point... Oh shut the fuck up don't lecture me on America's imperialism . A right wing capitalist like Timothy McVeigh is a hypocrite in criticizing America's foreign policy . Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism even in his imaginary "libertarian free market" imperialism will exist . I personally don't like to be lectured by hypocrites . Quote (eboyd) Dude, Menace, you can't deny that, while what he did was completely wrong and even though the only reason I don't think he deserved the death penalty is because I don't think anyone does, he actually had a point and a reason to be against the government. I don't at all condone any sort of eye-for-an-eye act, especially when both acts involve the murder of hundreds of innocent people, but his critique of the acts of the government agencies involved in Waco and other situations were pretty spot on. As i said to Taylor i don't like to be lectured by hypocrites . If this was a left winger committing such atrocity he was already dead now . Look at Mumia Abu Jamal , Leonard Peltier etc. we needed to bring Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch so they can have a fair trial and still they didn't. Remember Sacco and Vanzetti ? they did nothing but they were still killed because they were ANARCHISTS . There are thousands of such cases in the US . The US showed a true bias when they condemned this dude I am not for the death penalty but if he wasn't a right wing militia man and he was a self proclaimed anarchist or socialist he was already dead .
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| eboyd |
Date: Thursday, 14/Jan/10, 3:21 PM | Message # 7 |
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I understand that, but being closed minded to the point of view of someone with opposing views, especially when they have a good point, though still disagreeing on other issues they bring up is simply arrogant, possibly even ignorant. It's the same thing stupid capitalists (not all capitalists, but specifically the "PRAISE AMERICA!" capitalists who show that they don't even understand what words like "capitalism", "democracy", etc., even mean) do when they don't listen to other people because they are "commie pigs!"
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| Menace |
Date: Thursday, 14/Jan/10, 4:00 PM | Message # 8 |
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Quote (eboyd) I understand that, but being closed minded to the point of view of someone with opposing views, especially when they have a good point, though still disagreeing on other issues they bring up is simply arrogant, possibly even ignorant. It's the same thing stupid capitalists (not all capitalists, but specifically the "PRAISE AMERICA!" capitalists who show that they don't even understand what words like "capitalism", "democracy", etc., even mean) do when they don't listen to other people because they are "commie pigs!" Ideologically he is a hypocrite , socially he is a monster . He blew up a Federal Building and he's well fed and well kept when we strike for fair income wages and for better conditions in workplaces the police disrupts us , beats us and jails us . And we are doing nothing illegal but invoking our labor rights . There is a horrible difference between how the left wing is treated in the US and how the right wing is treated in the US . You can't compare me whit some right wing idle drone . I am just saying what the entire left wing in America is afraid to say . Justice for all or justice for NONE . 
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 2:44 AM | Message # 9 |
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This has nothing to do with his social status and privilege. This simply has to do with his (accurate) critique of government agencies who did terrible things to the public and tried to cover it up.
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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 2:44 PM | Message # 10 |
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Quote (eboyd) This has nothing to do with his social status and privilege. This simply has to do with his (accurate) critique of government agencies who did terrible things to the public and tried to cover it up. It has , this shows the hypocrisy of the US justice system
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 2:58 PM | Message # 11 |
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Quote (Menace) It has , this shows the hypocrisy of the US justice system
I have no idea what your talking about.
Because right now, if you are on the left wing, you are treated very well by people. Right now, everyone over here is for the legalization of Gay Marraige, Pot, Gambling, all that shit. People are trying to be like hippies and shit. I mean thats what I see at least. And about Timothy McViegh... He is saying alot of the same stuff I would hear from a ultra-left-winger. "The government is all fucked up and blah blah blah let's have some sort of revolution blah blah I'm gonna change things." I'm really starting to get fed up with who is right wing and who is left wing. I.Don't.Give.A.Fuck.
Either way, they are fucking idiots for classifying themselves into a group, yet some of them call their ways of thinking "different".
Fuck all the left wing right wing bullshit. I honestly think that most people want the same shit, but we all just have different ways of achieving what we want.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 3:59 PM | Message # 12 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) we all just have different ways of achieving what we want.
lol why do you think we have ppl classifying themselves in groups? Because ppl have different ideas of achieving what we all want. Exactly lol.
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 4:15 PM | Message # 13 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) lol why do you think we have ppl classifying themselves in groups? Because ppl have different ideas of achieving what we all want. Exactly lol.
But I mean.... shit. I can't explain it.
There is no point in classifying yourself. It's just pointless.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 5:04 PM | Message # 14 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) But I mean.... shit. I can't explain it.
There is no point in classifying yourself. It's just pointless.
how is it pointless? Some people think we need more govn't to fix our problems, other people believe that we shouldn't have govn't at all. It's easier to say I'm a republican or an anarchist instead of just saying all the things I want, lol.
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Friday, 15/Jan/10, 6:04 PM | Message # 15 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) ow is it pointless? Some people think we need more govn't to fix our problems, other people believe that we shouldn't have govn't at all. It's easier to say I'm a republican or an anarchist instead of just saying all the things I want, lol.
I just don't like group idenity, thats all. I understand what you mean.
Group idenity can be good and bad. This is one of the situations where it can be good and bad.
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