I don't blame people for eating meat just like I don't blame our founding fathers for having slaves. It's a difficult complicated problem. Our founding fathers had slaves because slaves were available, they knew it was wrong philosophically. People eat meat because it is available, even though they might know that it is wrong philosophically. SO THEREFORE, the elimination of the industry eliminates the availability, so therefore no one can have slaves or eat meat. Because many people will continue to do something if it is philosophically (or even morally wrong) as long as there is a foundational authoritative industry keeping it going.

Sure vegitarians and abolitionists don't parallel 100%. Sure animals and slaves don't parallel 100%. But they do parallel significantly unquestionably.

He's implying that because we determine we are at the top of the food chain, then all the animals automatically become victims of our use, because "we run shit."

As far as whites going out and searching for blacks to hang or kill otherwise, you just made me think of another premise: P27.5 Some animals are hunted down by humans (sometimes to be murdered) just like some slaves/blacks were hunted down by slavemasters/whites (sometimes to be murdered).

Aside from the whole animal-slavery parallel and the dozens of philosophical/moral aspects, the fact that animal slaughter supports multi-international corporations that hold sway over society is enough to say fuck it.

Also, not to mention, raising lifestock is inefficient.

And then there are the health issues, both by the nature of meat and by the contamination of meat. Now they're trying to sell cloned animal meat without sufficient longterm studies. They are also partaking in gene patenting so that they can modify ainmal genetics, which is absurd.

Then I can talk all day about the product waste this industry creates. What do you think happens when meat goes bad in the store? Plus, families waste meat on a daily basis.

These corporations pollute the earth and they deliberately fuck independent farms out of business.

Need I go on?

The people that run the food industry are committing genocide by not actively searching for viable meat substitutes and trying to eliminate meat production, essentially eliminating meat consumption, and bringing awareness to their campaign to try to eliminate meat production.

First off, race is a human creation. Just thought I'd make that clear. Second, proof is only pertinent to mathematics. Outside of math, there is only evidence. For example, in a court case, a smoking gun with fingerprints on it may be evidence that the defendant was guilty, but it is still possible that maybe someone forced them to grab the gun. That is evidence. It is never 100% conclusive, but there are degrees of certainty that we can draw from evidence. A good comparison here would be medical diagnoses. You don't need every symptom to be diagnosed with a disease. Third, if we realize that there is a possibility for a viable alternative but we are hardly researching this alternative, then it becomes clear that the comparison is, in fact, quite equivalent.

That's not at all what he was doing. And we could say the same for slavery. I could cherry-pick multiple accounts of white owners who treated slaves great. It is even possible that a majority of slave owners treated their slaves well (considering most landowners of that time owned at least one slave and most people are good people).

So because animals are less intelligent than humans they can't possibly fear as much as human slaves and therefore their fear should be disregarded? Lol

the keeping of black people for labor i dont really see as subjugation. its there for purposes of household and horticultural assistance.

dont forget the point where there is hardly any research done to find a viable substitute for meat in order to actively search to put an end to the subjugation of animals, and also the point where human slave labor takes necessary labor out of the hands of the slave owner so that they can conveniently take care of more important things.

After agreeing to everything you agreed with, how can you deny this? And no "because we need it to sustain life", because as I've explained before, we don't even attempt to search for a viable substitute (which we know exists, and even if it didn't, it doesn't hurt to try researching it).

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probably because he actually is the one throwing fits and typing in big cap letters

Sure, you can do so, but you'll continue to recieve responses like this. If you're going to fuck with this thread, know it, or ask questions about what's up. Contribute something substantial.

man, come on! I've held the same position the whole time! I'm still not a vegetarian though. In fact, I just had 2 4X4's from In 'n' Out

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Look at the very first post in this thread. Read it. You are asking me what my thoughts are, so I posted a song that reflected my thoughts. If you'd take the time to get the sand out of your snatch you'd see that I have as much a right to post my thoughts as do you. Otherwise, why would you ask me for my thoughts? You mad I have an opinion of my own?

And yeah, you got every right to be in any thread you like. But like I said, you come in talking dumb ass shit then you'll continue to recieve responses like this one.

he probably doesn't want to read your arguments because he's afraid he might be wrong and have to change his sig.

Haha nah, In 'n' Out is all over California, as well as Fatburger. Neither can be found outside of Cali though. And I agree. I won't eat at any other fast food burger joint. We have one directly on the border of our town and the neighboring town, both of which have schools with football teams that are decent, neither of which had played each other since the 80's, who have a tradition of going to In 'n' Out after every game. The schools are approximately the same distance from the In 'n' Out except for in opposite directions, so it's perfect for both schools to go to as an after-the-game hang out..... that is, until my senior year in 2005 when, after 25 years or so, my coaches decided that they wanted to schedule a game against them. That game became the game that would decide the rights to In 'n' Out for the year. That game turned out to be great. I blocked a punt with less than 2 minutes left in the game and we recovered it. With a few seconds left I lead my running back to a touchdown to win the game. That was some of the most exciting shit ever. We owned In 'n' Out for the year the best part is that back when we played each other consistently (in the 80's) we used to lose to them every year consistently. Everyone KNEW they were better than us but we beat them and went on to win the league championship, proving that they were WRONG!

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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"

-T.S. Eliot

battle record:

7-0-0