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| Menace |
Date: Thursday, 04/Feb/10, 3:07 PM | Message # 196 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) So you're saying we are superior to other animals. Why would we be superior? Of course we are superior its a scientific fact . But whit superiority comes responsibility ( Spiderman ) . As Richard Dawkins said we evolved on a stage in which we can leave our primal instincts behind we evolved out of natural selection .
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Thursday, 04/Feb/10, 3:33 PM | Message # 197 |
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Quote (Menace) Of course we are superior its a scientific fact . But whit superiority comes responsibility ( Spiderman  ) . As Richard Dawkins said we evolved on a stage in which we can leave our primal instincts behind we evolved out of natural selection . Alright, so we have a different type of intelligence. There's people who say animals like Dolphins are just as or more intelligent than us in different ways.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 1:27 AM | Message # 198 |
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Quote (eboyd) However, there is a natural tragedy (though possibly in part one created by us as a consequence of capitalism) in that there is currently no easily attainable meat substitute that is of equal nutritional value to meat. Good way of putting it, "natural tragedy." Quote (eboyd) Also, for someone like myself, who, as a scholarship athlete, needs specific nutrients and fat and protein content, meat becomes more of a necessity. When we do have a meat substitute, however, that is practical, I would absolutely agree to switch. I can understand. But it is important that everyone understands the problem so that when change does come, it is welcomed, not ignorantly dismissed or resisted. That's all I try to do, get people to understand the problem. Quote (eboyd) Btw, I_Guy, is it not hypocritical to be ok with eating fish for moral reasons but not be ok with eating mammals? It's not okay. But as you have said, it is difficult to find meat equivalents. If it is in fact true that some people absolutely need meat and there are no substantial alternatives, then fish is the least morally atrocious source for that meat, given the difficulty of the situation. However, lower organisms than fish would be ideal. Sea life such as crustaceans and other arthropods are more acceptable. They are essentially insects. Although eating insects still is not okay, you can see the problem shrink. Insects are basically cell machines in the strictest since. Quote (eboyd) And btw, in response to you saying mammals are unhealthy to eat, I have one word for you: buffalo. Poor buffalo. Mammal meat is too fatty and tough. Not to mention they are the most inefficient meat to grow and harvest. Quote (abanks47) do grizzly bears commit genocide when hunting salmon when they're swimming upstream? NO there surviving just like humans be doing. Grizzly bears eat only as much as they NEED. There is no exploitation and waste. Quote (abanks47) in many ways slaves were seen in a lower light than the fuckin farm animals there slave masters kept. Practically impossible to substantiate. Perhaps you have forgotten that slaves were considered 3/5 of a person? Quote (abanks47) Vegetarians (i am sick of typing this damn word) tend to think there better than meat eaters Some may do that. But I don't think in those terms. Better? Better means nothing to me when it comes to gauging between people. I only consider things "better" when it can be scientifically proven in an objective manner. I don't think I'm "better" than anyone by condemning meat-eating. I'm condemning meat eating not meat eaters. All I try to do is reveal a new perspective to everyone. If my emotions get involved, well that is my sometimes unavoidable humanness. Quote (abanks47) vegetarians just come at you like they've been in on this secret and the rest of the world is just to dumb to realize it. i say get the fuck from around me and let me eat my fucking steak bitch. You seem to not be considering any of the points. Quote (J-Breakz) Plus we are ignoring that plants do feel pain. They DO NOT feel pain. When we say they feel pain, we associate that "pain" with the kind of pain that we feel. Plants do not feel pain in the way human beings do. IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sensation and experience (if we can even call it that, I don't really think we can). There is a system in which they receive information from the outside world (some plants even respond when touched), but there is no consciousness to register that received information to perceive sensation. There is no consciousness to register "pain." Think about it? Evolutionarily speaking, why would plants need to feel pain? Plants are immobile. They wouldn't need to evolve pain. Pain evolves only in mobile beings with specific physiological and cognitive abilities. Quote (J-Breakz) There's people who say animals like Dolphins are just as or more intelligent than us in different ways. Indeed Dolphins are an impressive species. They are among the most intelligent creature in the sea. They have impressive problem solving abilities, and communication abilities. Any mammal of the sea is very advanced in terms of mental ability (compared to fish). Although, octopuses are pretty intelligent as well. But I wouldn't say they are more or "just as" intelligent as us. You can't really gauge intelligence. It's on a dimensional continuum. It depends on how you define intelligence anyway. All we can say is that dolphins are not as good as we are at what we do (aside from physiological advantages). Perhaps they do things (mentally) that we don't know about, and perhaps they are better than we are at those things. But it is impossible to gauge intelligence. It is simply most likely that our intelligence is more effective than a dolphins, as we can see by what we do. But if you are impressed with dolphins then you should watch the documentary The Cove. And see what the Japanese do to dolphins. Made possible by your good 'ol capitalism might I add. They may be slaughtering something that is cognitively the closest thing to us. And the Japanese hunters slaughter them by the thousands thinking the dolphins are just stupid fish. Tragedy.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 2:37 AM | Message # 199 |
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Quote (I_Guy) But if you are impressed with dolphins then you should watch the documentary The Cove. And see what the Japanese do to dolphins. Made possible by your good 'ol capitalism might I add. ...right, people hunt dolphins because people want dolphins to be hunted, not because of an invisible evil force named capitalism. Quote (I_Guy) And the Japanese hunters slaughter them by the thousands thinking the dolphins are just stupid fish. Tragedy. The thing I never got about animal activists is that they preach about stuff like japanese killing dolphins yet I bet they wouldn't hesitate killing an insect in their house.
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| abanks47 |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 3:14 AM | Message # 200 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Grizzly bears eat only as much as they NEED. There is no exploitation and waste. C'mon now dude. If you put any animal in front of an unlimited supply of food they will gorge until they are overweight especially if they don't have to work hard for it. There would definitely be waste and if they had the means to put all the salmon in one spot so they wouldn't have to work hard for it you no damn well they would. that goes for any species and there main source of food. if you could get all your tofu and bean sprouts in one location (which i'm sure you do) would you not exploit that? you dont go scavenge your food, and do you always eat every morsel off your plate? im not saying its good to waste food but who doesnt? Quote (I_Guy) Practically impossible to substantiate. Perhaps you have forgotten that slaves were considered 3/5 of a person? OK how about the fact we were lynched without batting an eye? how about the family dog and horse were groomed on the regular? how about us occasionally eating the same food as pigs? shall i continue, OK? how about raping the women creating an entirely new race? Animals were and are still loved by humans, slaves were spat upon, used, abused and murdered. there you go, i just substantiated the claim i made. And also 3/5's of a person, many honestly thought that blacks were not human but another species, thats real talk we were not seen as men and women but as animals when we first arrived and the black man was not man's best friend. i say again in many ways slaves were seen in a lower light than the fuckin farm animals there slave masters kept. This is real talk. not saying this was the case on all plantations but if someones prized horse was in a barn on fire and some slave children were also in that fire who the fuck you think the whites would want to save first. think before you answer too. Now I know some of the conditions above are how some animals live today but back than, what domesticated livestock lived that way? ................yeah thats what i thought Quote (I_Guy) Some may do that. But I don't think in those terms. Better? Better means nothing to me when it comes to gauging between people. I only consider things "better" when it can be scientifically proven in an objective manner. I don't think I'm "better" than anyone by condemning meat-eating. I'm condemning meat eating not meat eaters. All I try to do is reveal a new perspective to everyone. If my emotions get involved, well that is my sometimes unavoidable humanness. Correct some do do that, not all. same goes for your claim of specieism though. generalizing a group is never a good sign when you do not know all involved. Also the way you are going about condemning meat-eating does seem like you are saying you are better or at least smarter than those who do choose to eat meat. i may be misinterpreting it but you do seem to be on another level than us your unavoidable humanness with your emotions may be my excuse for wanting to consume animal flesh no? Quote (I_Guy) You seem to not be considering any of the points. I made my points above and you chose to only quote a few of them. this was not me making a point rather you asked my opinion on why i thought v people were smug jerks. that was my reasoning for it. it was not trying to battle any of your points just giving you a sum of the v's that i ran into in whole foods and how they react when i see them. you dont seem to get any of my points neither
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Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 4:21 AM | Message # 201 |
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I_Guy is fighting an uphill battle with this slavery shit LOL
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Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 1:32 PM | Message # 202 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) Alright, so we have a different type of intelligence. There's people who say animals like Dolphins are just as or more intelligent than us in different ways. Dolphins don't have an analytical conscience . Let this go . We as humans are evolved enough to leave our primal instincts behind and one being eating meat . We can find a tastier and healthier substitute for it . Don't get me wrong I'm not a vegetarian .
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| abanks47 |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 3:06 PM | Message # 203 |
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Quote (Menace) We can find a tastier and healthier substitute for it lol lets not go overboard here, healthier maybe but i dono bout tastier.
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Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 3:24 PM | Message # 204 |
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Quote (abanks47) lol lets not go overboard here, healthier maybe but i dono bout tastier. YES WE CAN !! ( Obama style LOL ) . Travel trough out the world and taste world cuisines and you will see . There are actual meals which are whit no meat and they taste better then meals whit meat . Its not about meat it's about the way you make it and what you use in it . Lebanese Cuisine for example is the in top 10 most tasty cuisines in the world and there little to no meat at all in such a cuisine .
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 3:40 PM | Message # 205 |
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Meat is the best tasting food on earth, in my opinion. I've tried many foods, and meat I like the most. I was an ovo-lacto vegetarian for almost three years, btw.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 3:52 PM | Message # 206 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) ...right, people hunt dolphins because people want dolphins to be hunted, not because of an invisible evil force named capitalism. Capitalism puts people in the position of wanting to hunt dolphins. Because it is a resources that can be exploited under capitalism. Quote (J-Breakz) The thing I never got about animal activists is that they preach about stuff like japanese killing dolphins yet I bet they wouldn't hesitate killing an insect in their house. Groundless assumption. But yeah that may be in some cases. But you learn that EVERY SINGLE human being on the planet is a hypocrite in one way or another. Quote (abanks47) C'mon now dude. If you put any animal in front of an unlimited supply of food they will gorge until they are overweight especially if they don't have to work hard for it. They know no better. Quote (abanks47) Animals were and are still loved by humans, slaves were spat upon, used, abused and murdered. So are animals. Quote (ALCATRAZ) thats real talk we were not seen as men and women but as animals when we first arrived I thought you said they were seen as "lower" than animals? Quote (abanks47) i say again in many ways slaves were seen in a lower light than the fuckin farm animals there slave masters kept. This is real talk. not saying this was the case on all plantations but if someones prized horse was in a barn on fire and some slave children were also in that fire who the fuck you think the whites would want to save first. think before you answer too. Don't know. It depends on the all the variables, factors, and people involved. You seem to misunderstand slavery economics though. You seem to have bought into the myth that slaves were left to rot. Do you realize that slavemasters had to pay a hefty price for each slave? So they hated it when slaves died. It lost them money. The worst cases of slave abuse was in the cases of creating fear so that slaves wouldn't revolt. Don't get me wrong, it was a terrible time and some acts were horrendous, but the fact is that slaves were treated no worse than animals (because they were thought of as animals and they generate profits). But people slowly began to realize the slave's humanness whereby we get the 3/5 compromise. Even some slavemasters realized that slaves were human beings as the awareness grew, but they kept slaves for capitalistic economic reasons. Take a look at our founding-fathers. They knew damn well that slaves were human beings, but they kept them for their use beings they were available. Quote (abanks47) Now I know some of the conditions above are how some animals live today but back than, what domesticated livestock lived that way? All animal livestock lived that way and still do. Quote (abanks47) Also the way you are going about condemning meat-eating does seem like you are saying you are better or at least smarter than those who do choose to eat meat. That just seems to be your guilty response. Because you are presented with an ideology that might possibly be more morally consistant than yours so you start pointing fingers at people claiming they are being condescending or arrogant. How else can someone bring up the issue? It seems they can't because you'll call them condescending. Quote (abanks47) your unavoidable humanness with your emotions may be my excuse for wanting to consume animal flesh no? Absolutely not. It's not a related issue. It can be difficult to control emotions. It's not so difficult to leave the meat off your plate. Quote (Menace) ts not about meat it's about the way you make it and what you use in it . Very true. The funny thing is that meat doesn't even taste good by itself. When people say they like meat, all they are really saying is they love the seasoning it is cooked in, lol.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 3:56 PM | Message # 207 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) Meat is the best tasting food on earth, in my opinion. I've tried many foods, and meat I like the most. Pork smells like feces. Meat only tastes good when it's doused in herbs and salts. Quote (ALCATRAZ) I was an ovo-lacto vegetarian for almost three years, btw. Why?
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| I_Guy |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 4:25 PM | Message # 208 |
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Examples of speciesism: Circuses: Animals taken from the wild against they're "will" and kept in cages for the majority of their life. They are beat, whipped, and branded. They're forced to do stupid ass tricks to entertain a dumb ass gawking crowd seeking meaningless petty amusement. Disregard the melodramatic sentimental music. I wish they wouldn't use that to stir emotion. It makes it hard to take seriously sometimes. But the information presented is what's valuable. Zoos: Some animals are kept in awful conditions. The zoo in my city has had multiple animal deaths (including a male gorilla). Plus obviously their freedom is restricted. All so people can gawk and stare and point and rouse and take pictures of them. Sport Hunting: Considered fair game if the animal isn't restricted in any way and allowed to run free. They're killed so that some macho man can stick its head on his wall or stuff its body and put it on display to prove how oh so god damn manly he is. Hunting in general is fucked up because many hunters don't really NEED to hunt for food. They just do it because it gives them an excuse to use their big fat fucking "bad ass" guns. The funny thing is, some hunters go and buy flightless birds, or rabbits, or other smaller animals and then set them loose so that they can hunt them. What the fuck? If they're going to buy the animals, why don't they Just go buy the meat itself if they need it that badly. Then you got dumb ass little kids target practicing on birds and other animals because they got ignorant ass macho manly daddies who endorse it. Furs: They're hunted for their fur alone so some materialistic imbecile can walk around and feel high class. War: Historically animals (horses, mules, dogs, birds) used in war as cavalry, messengers, and transporters. They usually ended up dead (especially horses). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_animal Pets: Pets are born into a home so that they can be used as toys for amusement of humans. Majority of pets are born into impoverished conditions and end up dieing at some point on the street or euthanized because they are overpopulated (a problem that we have created). Many pets are abandoned or abused because they "don't behave." What the fuck do we expect? Of course they don't behave, they're fucking lower animals. People run out of money they abandon their pets, euthanize their pets, or simply starve them. Some people often take animals from the wild to turn them into pets. What's the result? They often die because dumb ass people think they're animal experts and end up realizing they're fools once they realize they didn't know how to handle the animal. Rituals: Dumb as religions and traditions sacrifice animals in all kind of ridiculous rituals often times in very cruel ways (dropping them from 10 story windows, beating them, burning them, all kinds of unthinkable sacrifices). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sacrifice Sports: Dog shows and other animal shows. Dog racing, horse racing, etc. Once the horse falls or breaks its leg it is euthanized. Also bull fighting in which the bull is pointlessly killed by the end after being speared dozens of times. Gambling: Forcing animals to fight so that people can bet their loot. Dog fights, cock fights, fish fights, almost every kind of animal fight. Dumb shit. Punishment: A hungry bear attacks a person or attacks a person because they get too near bear cubs. What happens? The "crazed" bear is hunted and shot. Who knows what happens to the bear cubs. Same goes for big cats, wolves, sharks, any kind of predator. Or if an animal intrudes upon someone's land, crops, or livestock the animal is shot because it is considered a nuisance, when all it is trying to do is survive. Breeding: Often times the animals are inbred and are left with many incurable diseases. Some of which the owners never know about. Experiments: Often times the conditions are terrible. I know we need this research for medical reasons, but animals are often mistreated or neglected. We can at least better that. The experimenting is speciesist no matter what. But it is justified by its progressive results. But we can do better. Farming: They are kept in conditions that would be considered torture if it were humans in their situation. I could write paragraphs on this alone. Plain 'ol prejudice: I hear people cringe at animals all the time. People say possums are filthy animals because they dig in the trash. They say the same about raccoons (which has characteristics much like a cat in many ways), snapping turtles are pests, rats are pests, birds are pests, rabbits are pests, squirrels are pests, stray dogs and cats are pests, the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and fucking on. Are we that stupid? Do we not realize that we brought many of these "pests" into our human society? Have we forgotten that this planet is for all animals to use? All these animals are simply trying to make their way in the world, trying to survive. But we rather eraticate these "pests" because they're inconvenient. Booh fucking hoo. We need to humbly deal with the animal brethren with which we share a common heritage. It's nothing but annihilation otherwise.
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| abanks47 |
Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 4:42 PM | Message # 209 |
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Quote (Menace) YES WE CAN !! ( Obama style LOL  ) . Travel trough out the world and taste world cuisines and you will see . There are actual meals which are whit no meat and they taste better then meals whit meat . Its not about meat it's about the way you make it and what you use in it . Lebanese Cuisine for example is the in top 10 most tasty cuisines in the world and there little to no meat at all in such a cuisine . Italy shits on everyone. my people will make shit taste like twinkies. but i enjoy trying new food, i will be on the lookout Quote (I_Guy) They know no better. Apparently neither do we, we have sense yet we still eat way to much. i was just making a point that this wasn't just a human problem Quote (I_Guy) So are animals. Not to the extent that blacks were. The family dog was loved, and people shed tears when they died. Quote (I_Guy) I thought you said they were seen as "lower" than animals? We're splitting hairs now, i said "in many ways slaves were seen in a lower light than the fuckin farm animals" not every way entirely. this was just in response to your 3/5 a human Quote (I_Guy) Don't know. It depends on the all the variables, factors, and people involved. You seem to misunderstand slavery economics though. You seem to have bought into the myth that slaves were left to rot. Do you realize that slavemasters had to pay a hefty price for each slave? So they hated it when slaves died. It lost them money. The worst cases of slave abuse was in the cases of creating fear so that slaves wouldn't revolt. Don't get me wrong, it was a terrible time and some acts were horrendous, but the fact is that slaves were treated no worse than animals (because they were thought of as animals and they generate profits). But people slowly began to realize the slave's humanness whereby we get the 3/5 compromise. Even some slavemasters realized that slaves were human beings as the awareness grew, but they kept slaves for capitalistic economic reasons. Take a look at our founding-fathers. They knew damn well that slaves were human beings, but they kept them for their use beings they were available. I dont misunderstand shit in this argument. i know full well not all acted like this, but dont try to think for a second that slaves were treated in a humane way. they were kept in dank, cramped shacks that were fit for brooms and ate left overs and scraps from the whites that they did not care to eat, if they even ate at all. Slaves were treated no worse than animals... Really? listen to yourself. how often were cats whipped? How many cows were strung up and left hanging in trees for looking at someone in a "disrespectful" manner? I'm aware that pigs are left hanging upside down and left to bleed out but its very different when they are being prepaired for human sustinence where the slaves were killed out of pure hatred and ingorance. I don't know where you are getting all of your information on slavery but this here is a pretty good idea of how shit was handled back than. WARNING, shit may be to real for soft stomached v-people: Quote (I_Guy) All animal livestock lived that way and still do. LOL shut the fuck up, show me any proof of a ship with any type of living creatures in those conditions in those days. Quote (I_Guy) That just seems to be your guilty response. Because you are presented with an ideology that might possibly be more morally consistant than yours so you start pointing fingers at people claiming they are being condescending or arrogant. How else can someone bring up the issue? It seems they can't because you'll call them condescending. please believe that i feel absolute 0 guilt in my mind. It seems hard for anyone to bring this up to me when the people doing it, in most cases have only practiced vegetarianism for a short time (they usually took it up within that year) and then on top of that most still eat fish and chicken, so you are only choosing to not eat specific animals but the others are still OK? get the fuck out of here and let me eat my steak btich is what i say. not saying this is your practice but most who come at me are within those standards. Quote (I_Guy) Absolutely not. It's not a related issue. It can be difficult to control emotions. It's not so difficult to leave the meat off your plate. its not difficult to leave your feelings on the side and to not let them get into a conversation, especially when there in regards to a choice that someone has not practiced there entire lives. that shit is for children not adults. Strong willed can control there emotions. Quote (I_Guy) Very true. The funny thing is that meat doesn't even taste good by itself. When people say they like meat, all they are really saying is they love the seasoning it is cooked in, lol. no joke, my favorite food is burnt bland steak. i can eat this by itself without any sides, i have and will continue to do so until my inevitable death from a car crash when im 38. once again you lose Quote (I_Guy) Pork smells like feces. Meat only tastes good when it's doused in herbs and salts. are you sure you werent smelling shit because it sounds like you were. pork does not smell like feces homie. Quote (I_Guy) Circuses: Animals taken from the wild against they're "will" and kept in cages for the majority of their life. They are beat, whipped, and branded. They're forced to do stupid ass tricks to entertain a dumb ass gawking crowd seeking meaningless petty amusement. Zoos: Some animals are kept in awful conditions. The zoo in my city has had multiple animal deaths (including a male gorilla). Plus obviously their freedom is restricted. All so people can gawk and stare and point and rouse and take pictures of them. Sport Hunting: Considered fair game if the animal isn't restricted in any way and allowed to run free. They're killed so that some macho man can stick its head on his wall or stuff its body and put it on display to prove how oh so god damn manly he is. Hunting in general is fucked up because many hunters don't really NEED to hunt for food. They just do it because it gives them an excuse to use their big fat fucking "bad ass" guns. The funny thing is, some hunters go and by flightless birds, or rabbits, or other smaller animals and then set them loose so that they can hunt them. What the fuck? If they're going to buy the animals, why don't they Just go buy the meat itself if they need it that badly. Furs: They're hunted for their fur alone so some materialistic imbecile can walk around and feel high class. War: Historically animals (horses, mules, dogs, birds) used in war as cavalry, messengers, and transporters. They usually ended up dead (especially horses). Pets: Pets are born into a home so that they can be used as toys for amusement of humans. Majority of pets are born into impoverished conditions and end up dieing at some point on the street or euthanized because they are overpopulated (a problem that we have created). Many pets are abandoned or abused because they "don't behave." What the fuck do we expect? Of course they don't behave, they're fucking lower animals. People run out of money they abandon their pets, euthanize their pets, or simply starve them. Some people often take animals from the wild to turn them into pets. What's the result? They often die because dumb ass people think they're animal experts and end up realizing they're fools once they realize they didn't know how to handle the animal. Rituals: Dumb as religions and traditions sacrifice animals in all kind of ridiculous rituals often times in very cruel ways (dropping them from 10 story windows, beating them, burning them, all kinds of unthinkable sacrifices. Sports: Dog shows and other animal shows. Dog racing, horse racing, etc. Once the horse falls or breaks its leg it is euthanized. Also bull fighting in which the bull is pointlessly killed by the end after being speared dozens of times. Gambling: Forcing animals to fight so that people can bet their loot. Dog fights, cock fights, fish fights, almost every kind of animal fight. Dumb shit. Punishment: A hungry bear attacks a person or attacks a person because they get too near bear cubs. What happens? The "crazed" bear is hunted and shot. Who knows what happens to the bear cubs. Same goes for big cats, wolves, sharks, any kind of predator. Or if an animal intrudes upon someone's land, crops, or livestock the animal is shot because it is considered a nuisance, when all it is trying to do is survive. Farming: They are kept in conditions that would be considered torture if it were humans in their situation. I could write paragraphs on this alone. Plain 'ol prejudice: I hear people cringe at animals all the time. People say possums are filthy animals because they dig in the trash. They say the same about raccoons (which has characteristics much like a cat in many ways), snapping turtles are pests, rats are pests, birds are pests, rabbits are pests, squirrels are pests, stray dogs and cats are pests, the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and fucking on. Are we that stupid? Do we not realize that we brought many of these "pests" into our human society? Have we forgotten that this planet is for all animals to use? All these animals are simply trying to make their way in the world, trying to survive. But we rather eraticate these "pests" because they're inconvenient. Booh fucking hoo. We need to humbly deal with the animal brethren with which we share a common heritage. It's nothing but annihilation otherwise. Then you got dumb ass little kids target practicing on birds and other animals because they got ignorant ass macho manly daddies who endorse it. I agree with all except for farming. although i do have a pet, i dont punish it, make it come to me or force my love down its throat. cat does what ever the fuck it wants but dont really plan on ever getting another one because it does seem kinda awkward at times when i think about it.
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Date: Friday, 05/Feb/10, 4:45 PM | Message # 210 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Pork smells like feces. Meat only tastes good when it's doused in herbs and salts. exactly. Meat is doused in certain herbs to have that smell and taste after you cook it . Quote (ALCATRAZ) Meat is the best tasting food on earth, in my opinion. I've tried many foods, and meat I like the most. I was an ovo-lacto vegetarian for almost three years, btw. As i said the best cuisines are whit little to no meat . As i already said if you prepare it in a good way and MAKE IT taste good then it will taste good it doesn't really matter if its meat or not . By the way i am a professional certified diploma carrying chef so i don't speak based on popular culture . Although i don't like being a chef i was just forced into being one that's why i am leaving Romania for maybe college in Portugal . Quote (abanks47) Italy shits on everyone. my people will make shit taste like twinkies. but i enjoy trying new food, i will be on the lookout Yeah i know that Romanians are actually one of the descendants of the Ancient Romans so i live in Italy's sister country .
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