And dumb ass news casters report "Crazed animal attacks trainer." Hmmm I wonder why. "All well put the wild beast down."

Besides, it's not so much the consumption of meat. I understand the difficulties people face in life which makes it hard to get off meat. I am mainly criticizing the slaughter of animals for profit and criticizing any perspective that supports such acts. So it really doesn't matter whether a person eats meat or not. I don't think people are in control of themselves, so I don't see any blame, or hypocracy. As long as they are supporting the elimination of animal slaughter then it's all good. Someone may eat meat but hate eating meat and hate the slaughter-houses that produce it. That's fine as long as they are against it. They can do both because the issue is sometimes more complicated than doing one or the other.

Also look at alcatraz's sig. that pretty much sums it up

Also i know because random strangers dont walk up to me telling me to stop eating, many cases these are friends or acquaintances whom i know personally and they tell me they just picked up on this life altering experience. its real hot in SF. youd fit right in

You can think whatever you like, but that doesn't mean anything regarding the truth.

I don't know about you, but I consume my favorite food a lot. I do so because it's my favorite.

Apologies to you I_guy if any of my off-handed comments insulted you. its all in fun but i do still stand by my actual statements

Here's my question to you as both a meat eater and a fellow human seeking to live by the best morals possible: would you agree that if we could sufficiently replace meat (in price, taste, nutritional value, etc.), being as -- I would assume -- we can both agree that humans are in no way more valuable than animals, that it would be morally correct for us to oblige to discontinue the consumption of meat?

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ANIMAL TREATMENT IS LIKE SLAVE TREATMENT BECAUSE:
P1: Humans dominate other animals just like slave-masters dominated slaves
P2: Humans try to instill fear into animals just like slave-masters tried to instill fear into slaves
P3: Animals do fear humans just as slaves feard slave-masters.
C1: The subjugation of animals is much like the subjugation of slaves

P4: Animals are thought to have a lower intelligence than humans just as slaves were thought to have lower intelligence than the slave-masters
P5: People subjugate animals because they think it is normal just as people subjugated slaves because they thought it was normal
P6: Humans continue our subjugation of animals because it is economically benefitial and convenient just as the subjugation of slaves was economically benefitial and convenient
P7: Many humans grow up thinking that animals are here for our use just as many people grew up thinking that slaves were there for a slave-owners' use
P8: When it comes down to it, humans use the bible to justify the subjugation of animals just as slave-owners used the bible to justify their subjugation of slaves
P9: Humans consider their business in the animal industry to be a means of making a living just as people in the slave industry considered it to be a means to make a living
P10: Some humans enjoy being cruel to animals just as some slave-owners enjoyed being cruel to slaves
P11: Many humans consider some animals to be disgusting even though they will eat or wear those same animals just as some slave-owners would consider their slaves to be disgusting even though they would have sex with them or allow them to prepare their food
C2: The conception of animals are much like the conception of slaves

P12: Animals are kept in similar conditions to that which are much like (if not identical to) the slave's conditions
P13: Factory farms keep animals packed together in lousey disgusting conditions just like plantations kept slaves packed together in lousy disgusting conditions
P14: House animals are kept in better conditions but are still held their at the owners discretion and sometimes abused just like some house slaves were kept in better conditions but held at the slave-master's discretion and sometimes abused
P15: Animals are fed lousy food just as slaves were fed lousy food.
P16: Sometimes animals are starved or dehydrated just like some slaves were starved or dehydrated
P17: Animals seldomly recieve vetrinary care because there is simply too many to handle just as slaves seldomly recieved medical care because there was simply too many to handle
C3: The conditions of animals are much like the conditions of slaves

P18: Animals are used to serve humans just as slaves were used to serve slave-masters
P19: Animals are used for profit for humans just as slaves were used as profit for slave-masters
P20: This servitude is against the will of the animal just as the servitude was against the will of the slave
P21: Animals are captured out of their homeland and turned into property just as slaves were captured from the homeland and turned into property
P22: Eventually the captured animals are bred with each other to birth new generations that will support the market just as slaves were eventually bred with each other to birth new generations to support the slave market
P23: Animals are bought and sold on a market just as slaves are bought and sold on a market
C4: The use of animals is much like the use of slaves

P24: When animals revolt they are punished just like slaves were punished when they revolted
P25: Loose (free) animals are taken to the pound or returned to their owners just like loose (free) slaves were taken to jail or returned to their owners
P26: Animals are whipped, prodded, beaten, and branded just like slaves were whipped, prodded, beaten, and branded
P27: When an animal intrudes upon a human's environment the animal is pregudicely executed for their intrusion just as some slaves/blacks were prejudicely executed (hung, shot) for intruding upon white environments
P28: A moral consciousness has began to give rights to animals just as a moral consciousness eventually gave rights to slaves
C5: The treatment of animals is much like the treatment of slaves

Enough points? I left plenty of gaps, I can go on if you'd like. If you are in denial of any of this, then I give up.

Obviously if slaves were considered to be animals, then slaves and animals will be treated the same.

So what the fuck is your point supposed to be? We are way off topic now, but what is your underlying argument exactly? That blacks had it the worst out of all time? Why are you defending that so much? Are you trying to make "your people" out to be the biggest tragedy in history and therefore you need the utmost consideration? Are you playing up the pity card, or the suffering card? Everyone is supposed to bow down to the greatest tragedy of all time and never compare similar tragedies because that would be a disgrace or a travesty? Is it an ego thing? -"That's right, my people have had it the worst, so don't dare compare or challenge." Or do you simply not care to admit that humankind continues to follow its brutal path? I assume it is the former. Please explain to me.

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Emotions are irrational psychological responses that originate in the subconscious. They emerge in the conscious when there is an encounter of whatever stimuli or the lack thereof. For the most part, emotions rule people's lives because people cannot become objective to their existence as a human being and the irrational responses human beings have to their existential realm. It is impossible to become objective to ourselve, thus we will always be squirming little subjective beings at the mercy of our emotions. Emotions have an evolutionary explanation, and we are stuck with them. Animals live on emotions, much of which is embodied in "instincts." Emotions are the evolutionary residue of our irrational past. We face rational emergence, but this evolutionary baggage remains with us, and it is useful sometimes, but at other times it can be destructive and tortuous.

Every second of your life is resting upon some sort of emotion. The human psyche rests upon an ocean of irrational chaos. (Ever notice the insanity around you? If you recognize the problems of the world you will see it.) Just take a look at a child and you will see crystal clear irrational chaos. We only learn to suppress those childish tantrums, we never get rid of them.

This inborn insanity, this natural irrationality, this evolved subconscious emotional chaos is all the result of long ago evolving from inorganic non-life elements. We have a long way to go before we become emotionless, rid irrationality, and become substantially rational. But for now, our psychological stability is an ocean of emotion. We try to build our logic and rationality upon the thickening ice that floats atop the waves. We try to find stability where we can. So don't tell me that you can disregard your emotions at "will" if need be. Because they knock everyone off balance, somewhere, at some point.

A lot of people try to fool themselves into thinking that they are "strong" and can control their emotions (as if there is a mind-body dualism and as if they have the free-will to do so). They fail to see that our beingness is an arena of one system. All aspects of of our being coalesce as a single complex chemical in an orgainsm that is the world. They fail to see the fundemental one-ness of our being. So there is no controlling anything. Something cannot control that which makes it what it is. Some deny this, some fail to see this. As a result, they end up becoming very confused and frustrated people. Don't be one of them. They only suppress their emotions, they do not get rid of them. (Not to sound cliche) but I know because I used to be like that. So it's something that I reflect upon deeply.

But anyways, not to rant too much...

Once again, your generalizing the human race as if we all do this. maybe you do these things but i for one do not.

he's probably talking about animals in factories that are bred to be killed and eaten by us, such as Pig Farms, pigs, chickens etc are all kept in awful conditions, tiny cages, they're barely even able to move they're forced to eat shit to make them fat and then killed and eaten by us. that's what he's talking about not your cat. cats are definitely not slaves lol cats are only loyal to their food.