Extinction is a natural process a part of the symbiotic balance of the earth. By interfering we fuck it up. 99% of all species have gone extinct. The world has gone along just fine with sustainable symbiosis....that is, until we came along, the biggest parasites of all time.

One such example was brought to my attention by the students in the course on human rights/animal rights that Anna Charlton and I teach at Rutgers University. A dog in Chile risks her/his life to help another dog who has been hit by a car. I am not saying that the dog sat around and pondered her/his moral obligations before acting in the same way that we would. But so what? The dog acted in an altruistic way. This conduct cannot be explained away as some sort of ‘instinct’ or self-interested behavior. The dog quite clearly and deliberately engaged in conduct that presented a serious risk to her/his life."

"Other species have exhibited altruism however, and much of the type of altruistic behavior that humans do is actually damage control-attempts to fix problems created by human activity so defining it as pure altruism is problematic as well."

http://www.opposingviews.com/i....animals

Humans intellectually define ethics (morals) by logic (usually). We intellectualize the issue. A dog cannot do that. The dog has no conception of the value of its act. A dog is morally null when it comes to rescue. A dog could not even be said to have morals unless humans exist to conceptualize it.

A dog doesn't posses the logic capacity to create morals. It doesn't have the ability to consider abstractions.

You might say a dog has morals. But a dog doesn't know it has morals, and that is what matters.

Some idiots say animals have no rights because they have no morals. The correct counter-argument is not that animals DO have morals. The correct counter-argument is that an animal having morals is irrelevant to their rights or treatment. That would stop the first argument on the spot because it is unsound.

Because we are the top of the food chain. Animal law plain and simple. Until the return of the Annunaki, we run shit. End of story.

Only you're trying to say that we have no natural predators, but there are many animals that have no natural predators.

As funny as it sounds, I'd actually say in some ways even some insects are superior to us.

I will say, however, that I got a chance to taste tempeh (fermented tofu) yesterday and, on top of having a higher protein content than any meat that I know of and being healthier than regular tofu, that shit is DELICIOUS (and I HATE tofu)! There is a place in Pasadena, which is about 15 miles from my house or less, that has tempeh. Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to find and I am willing to bet that the store that I know of that sells it is one of a handful of stores in or near Los Angeles County that sells it. It is hard to find outside of Asian countries and they actually even use fermented soy beans to make soy milk which I have yet to taste (capitalism makes it too expensive to market in the US outside of niche markets). If there was a vast economic and social change in the US that allowed tempeh to be mass produced, continuing to be healthy, and still be inexpensive, I think that I would become a vegetarian and hold other people responsible for killing animals when it is unnecessary. Until that time, I'll treat myself to some steak, hamburgers, chicken, etc.

Btw, I_Guy, is it not hypocritical to be ok with eating fish for moral reasons but not be ok with eating mammals? And btw, in response to you saying mammals are unhealthy to eat, I have one word for you: buffalo. Even cows and steers were healthy before they began injecting them with all sorts of preservatives.

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And dude, come off what ever organic shit your smoking. in many ways slaves were seen in a lower light than the fuckin farm animals there slave masters kept. once again your choice to only eat vegetables is no where near the same context on any front as slavery or any races plight due to the color of there skin. Choice will never equate to Against there will or Born this way.

There are no videos i can show that show slavery and its true conditions but just view the results of it. When was the last time I did this to a goat? would never be correct yes

in case the link doesnt work
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c67_1235607389
or nice brief showing of true biggotry, people aren't swearing too cows, or hanging pigs because of there suculent, succulent skin. shit in some of those pics animals are attacking my people. I should be mad at those motherfuckers.

ALSO, are you a member of PETA?

Plus we are ignoring that plants do feel pain. Why wouldn't killing plants for food be immoral also?

Animals act on instinct in that sense. We can at least stop ourselves as human beings from killing other animals. We can't stop other animals because they don't know better.

No, actually, plants don't feel pain. They are not sentient beings. Plants don't have feelings because they do not have the mechanisms that give them the capacity to have such feelings. They are alive but not conscious. They call people that are brain dead "vegetables" quite appropriately because like vegetables, they have no consciousness.

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"Plant Brain: Each root apex harbours a unit of nervous system of plants. The number of root apices in the plant body is high and all brain-units are interconnected via vascular strands (plant nerves) with their polarly-transported auxin (plant neurotransmitter), to form a serial (parallel) nervous system of plants. The computational and informational capacity of this nervous system based on interconnected parallel units is predicted to be higher than that of the diffuse nervous system of lower animals, or the central nervous system of higher animals/humans. "
http://wiki.answers.com/Q...._system