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And I'm saying it is more than a diet issue. That's why veg heads bitch about it. It's ignorant and arrogant as fuck to say "get the fuck outta here wit dat shit." Slavemaster's in the 1800s would have said "git the fuck outta here with that shit" if someone were to challenge the morality of slavery, because slavery seemed necessary, unstoppable, and convenient.
why don't you go have this discussion with a lion then.
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It's everyone's moral obligation to listen. It's philosophically, intellectually, and ethically irresponsible to not deeply consider the issue. Because the slaughter of animals is logically inconsistent with our current moral structure.
no, it isn't. it may be our moral responsibility to find more humane ways of slaughter, but eating meat is necessary at least for many humans. you can decide not to eat meat all you want. that is your prerogative, but no one is morally obligated to anything of the sort. many, in fact, are nutritionally obligated to eat meat.
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Now I'm not saying that eating meat is unethical. I'm saying that slaughtering animals is unethical. The ethical standing of eating meat then logically follows.
what do you propose as an alternative? lethal injection????
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And I see plenty of meat eaters that are emaciated and others who are obese, the point?
there is no direct correlation as there is with vegetarianism. meat eaters may be emaciated for other reasons. it is common to find vegetarians with specific health issues:
"Risks of Vegetarianism
Balancing vegetarian food and nutrition is vital to maintaining a healthy vegetarian diet. Strict vegetarians may be at risk of several nutrition deficiencies such as vitamin B-12, riboflavin, zinc, calcium, iron, and essential amino acids such as lysine and methionine. Vegans and vegetarians are also at risk of energy deficiency in the form of calories, particularly in children.
Long-term deficiencies in an inadequate vegetarian diet may lead to the following complications:
* Osteoporosis as a result of a lack of calcium causing bone demineralization
* Rickets in children due to a lack of vitamin D
* Iron-Deficiency Anemia due to low iron storage. One study found that 27% of women and 5% of men who were lacto-ovo-vegetarians had low serum ferritin levels (iron storage)
* Macrocytic Anemia due to vitamin B-12 deficiency. This has been observed in infants breast-fed by mothers who are strict vegetarians
* Emaciation or Slow Growth in vegetarian infants and children
Another issue facing vegetarians is low protein quality based on protein digestibility and amino acid composition. The risk associated with the protein quality of plant foods is based on a lack of certain essential amino acids that are found in natural combinations in animal protein."
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A person's physical state is only partially related to diet.
i absolutely agree. that doesn't change the direct correlation between lack of meat in a diet and health problems.
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The fact is that both diets are questionable for several reasons we have yet to fully conclude upon.
you make it sound as though we have nowhere near enough knowledge to say either or. that is far from the truth. there is a direct correlation between specific health risks and vegetarianism.
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But the fact also is that eating meat is logically inconsistent within our current understandings of morality. Any denial of that is simply a load of shameful excuses given by guilty worms.
again, tell that to a lion.
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What about meat substitutes? Still make it unhealthy?
ask me this question when there is a meat substitute on the market that is even remotely comparable to actual meat in nutritional value.
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Who says that only eating meat is healthy? I think most nutritionists would agree that we should have a balanced diet with both meat and veggies... and all the other good stuff.
this is absolutely correct.
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Must be disregarded, there is too much debate over it, even among experts.
i can tell you as someone in this field with an expertise that you don't happen to have specifically on this topic, that is far from the truth. the majority of the worlds top biochemists who specialize in nutrition agree that meat is necessary for a balanced diet. i have personal knowledge of this. my dietician just happens to be one of the world's most renowned nutritional biochemists. he agrees.
