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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 10/Jan/10, 2:07 PM | Message # 136 |
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Quote (Dookie) im suprised that your not best friends with jay z. 
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| I_Guy |
Date: Saturday, 16/Jan/10, 5:05 AM | Message # 137 |
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Quote (sodr2) i just ate 5 fat pieces of juicy chicken and it was delicious
Nothing to brag about. It's as stupid as bragging about beating-up someone.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 1:11 AM | Message # 138 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Nothing to brag about. It's as stupid as bragging about beating-up someone. lol come on man, it was a joke. besides, some of us may truly need meat. i've seen some very sick people who were vegetarians, and while i can't say correlation is causation, i can say i have a good reason to assume it is in this case. sure, our species was probably originally created to be vegetarian, but somewhere in the evolutionary process we began eating meat, probably because we are intelligent and saw other animals doing it and so followed suit and we evolved into pseudo-carnivores, something that shows in the fossil records in regards to teeth.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 2:43 AM | Message # 139 |
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Quote (eboyd) lol come on man, it was a joke. besides, some of us may truly need meat.
I know I got the joke. But for some people, making a joke about that is like making a joke about raping babies. It's not cool to make a joke about it. I don't hold it against him, I just didn't want to let that slide. Quote (eboyd) sure, our species was probably originally created to be vegetarian, but somewhere in the evolutionary process we began eating meat, probably because we are intelligent and saw other animals doing it and so followed suit and we evolved into pseudo-carnivores, something that shows in the fossil records in regards to teeth.
Once we dropped from the trees, like other beasts of the land, we turned against life, and sunk our teeth into it.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 3:10 AM | Message # 140 |
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Quote (I_Guy) I know I got the joke. But for some people, making a joke about that is like making a joke about raping babies. It's not cool to make a joke about it. I don't hold it against him, I just didn't want to let that slide. that's a bit over the top man, idk. i wouldn't compare eating a chicken sandwich to raping babies any day. sure, we had to kill an innocent chicken for the meat, but seriously, how else are we supposed eat? meat is quite possibly a necessity for some people if not all. we did nothing sadistic to the chicken. besides, what's wrong with off color jokes??!?!  Quote (I_Guy) Once we dropped from the trees, like other beasts of the land, we turned against life, and sunk our teeth into it. we eat vegetables which were alive at a point. yes, you can get all philosophical on this subject at this point and say "while the plants are alive they are not cognizant", but still, unfortunately we need fuel and that fuel just happens to be other living things, including other animals. i wish we could have it any other way, but we just can't. if you want to live, that is the only way. vegetarians can live, sure, but some people that try becoming vegetarians become unhealthy from it and this can prevent them from doing things and/or end their life early. http://articles.mercola.com/sites....ut.aspx
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 3:27 AM | Message # 141 |
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Quote (eboyd) that's a bit over the top man, idk. i wouldn't compare eating a chicken sandwich to raping babies any day. sure, we had to kill an innocent chicken for the meat, but seriously, how else are we supposed eat? meat is quite possibly a necessity for some people if not all. we did nothing sadistic to the chicken.
The problem is that we are not doing what we could be doing. We waste meat like no other, it's atrocious. We're speciest, no doubt. If we determine that it isn't logically justified to eat other animals than we must find a way around it, rather it be conservation to necessity, funding nanotechnology to create organically synthesized meat, or do more research on alternatives. People will say that it IS logically justified to eat meat because we must maintain our own lives. But it is not logically justified when we can do more to avoid the problem in first place. The problem is people don't see it as an ethical thing so nothing is done about it. Also, by enslaving animals (and everything around us for that matter) we continue to perpetuate the notion that we are separate and superior to all things, and thereby we are allowed to dominate everything. This has disastrous implications. Not to mention, how can we justify making life property? We can't even justify property itself. Quote (eboyd) besides, what's wrong with off color jokes??!?!
Nothing, but not everyone finds them funny. What's wrong with attacking an off colored joke? Quote (eboyd) we eat vegetables which were alive at a point. yes, you can get all philosophical on this subject at this point and say "while the plants are alive they are not cognizant", but still,
By now modern understanding has left life as ambiguous as can be. But by life, I mean the utmost of lifeforms. Quote (eboyd) we did nothing sadistic to the chicken.
Many slaughterhouses are still inhumane. And the drugs they pump them with is ridiculous. But, there is a lot of pain involved for the animals. Quote (eboyd) http://articles.mercola.com/sites....ut.aspx
There is still not enough research done on human diets to confirm exactly what we should be eating (especially beings everyone is slightly different). By that, we can't simply pass it off to nature and say there is nothing we can do. Surely, there is something we can do.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 3:34 AM | Message # 142 |
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Quote (I_Guy) The problem is that we are not doing what we could be doing. We waste meat like no other, it's atrocious. We're speciest, no doubt. If we determine that it isn't logically justified to eat meat than we must find a way around it, rather it be conservation to necessity, funding nanotechnology to create organically synthesized meat, or do more research on alternatives. People will say that it IS logically justified to eat meat because we must maintain our own lives. But it is not logically justified when we can do more to avoid the problem in first place. The problem is people don't see it as an ethical thing so nothing is done about it. Also, by enslaving animals (and everything around us for that matter) we continue to perpetuate the notion that we are separate from all things, and thereby we are allowed to dominate everything. This has disastrous implications. Not to mention, how can we justify making life property? We can't even justify property itself. believe me, i'm all for food industry reform, but we need meat. Quote (I_Guy) Nothing, but not everyone finds them funny. What's wrong with attacking an off colored joke? i'm just saying, lighten up!
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 3:45 AM | Message # 143 |
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Quote (eboyd) i'm just saying, lighten up!
It's hard for a person to lighten up when a person is joking about something immoral. "Eating meat is a necessity." A cop killing a criminal is sometimes a necessity. Or a soldier killing an enemy soldier. How funny would it be if they joked about it? Or someone joking about spilling toxic chemicals into the environment. Or a person joking about the misery of a slave. Or joking about somebody who is poverty stricken. Or joking about putting down an old sick horse, or dog or whatever. Or joking about taking food from another person because you are hungry too. Things like that are not funny. They're antagonizing, and the impulse of the joke comes from nowhere noble or acceptable. The "joke" did not have good intent. What sadistic impulse compels someone to joke about something immoral? I just don't get it. It's people's inability to consider the serious side of life that gives us masses of apathetic people. It's cool, I know it's just a little "joke," and I suppose he has the right to make it. But I have the right to attack it as much as I want. So I do. And actually when you look at it, it isn't even a joke??? It's just an antagonizing comment that provokes. Coming from a Christian too, laugh my fucking ass off. Though it's amazing how some people will get on each other's cases for being rude and that seems noble. Yet when a person gets on someone's case for being immoral, for some reason the person needs to lighten up.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 3:57 AM | Message # 144 |
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Quote (I_Guy) It's people's inability to consider the serious side of life that gives us masses of apathetic people. i agree, but we need to be able to lighten up on occasion as well or we will go insane. if we can't joke about controversial things, we aren't living imo. yes, there is a limit at times, but there is a time for even an immoral joke.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 4:05 AM | Message # 145 |
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Quote (eboyd) i agree, but we need to be able to lighten up on occasion as well or we will go insane. if we can't joke about controversial things, we aren't living imo. yes, there is a limit at times, but there is a time for even an immoral joke.
I agree, but I see specieism as a very serious thing. Sure at times it's cool for people to joke about controversial things, but as long as it is actually a joke, and not some thoughtless comment. Though I'm still not sure why someone would joke about an immoral thing that happens to be controversial. What compels someone to joke about it? Surely nothing good in them. I don't understand what would make sodr say, "i just ate 5 fat pieces of juicy chicken and it was delicious." It's like saying, "I just whipped my slave 50 times. It was awesome." Okay..... how is that a joke, and how is that funny? I'm not so much concerned with the statement itself, I'm concerned with where in the person is that statement coming from. Probably thoughtlessness, or obliviousness, but never the less I will make notice of it. Quote (eboyd) or we will go insane.
Or people might actually take things seriously enough to get things done or be passionate.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 4:09 AM | Message # 146 |
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 4:20 AM | Message # 147 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) I just put 5 babies in a blender and made a delicious smoothie
You wouldn't say that if you had babies. Once again, from thoughtlessness and obliviousness we have a reckless comment. However, it actually relates to this discussion in a sardonic way, and by that, it actually resembles a joke. But it's still needless.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 4:25 AM | Message # 148 |
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Quote (I_Guy) You wouldn't say that if you had babies.
Where do you think I get these babies from?!
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 4:32 AM | Message # 149 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) Where do you think I get these babies from?!
From the toilet, I think you are confusing babies with something else.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 5:02 AM | Message # 150 |
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Quote (I_Guy) "I just whipped my slave 50 times. It was awesome." Okay..... how is that a joke, and how is that funny? tbh i have known circumstances in which such a joke could be funny. what sodr said was funny in the context it was said. i laughed. i don't consider myself immoral for laughing at it. Quote (I_Guy) Or people might actually take things seriously enough to get things done or be passionate. i'm speaking for people like us, not for idiots who never get things done because they never take things seriously (like my dad)
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