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oh and pensmoke much luv and respect to you man, I do see your point though everyone has artists they feel and they don't feel and you shouldn't be hated for not feelin big and pac it ain't got to be all that man

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actually, there are plenty of critics who talk poorly about people in all those genres. for example, in rock and roll Santana, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Kiss, etc., are all, for later career moves, considered sell outs and bands like Grateful Dead consider all the glam metal bands to be corporate sellouts from the beginning. also, Linkin Park is considered phony and let's not even get started on hardcore rock fan's view of emo. hell, even Elvis is considered a corporate artist with little talent. now let's look at an example of this outside of music. Andy Warhol and the whole "pop art" scene (that's right, it was invented long before Kanye came up with it) have been sharply criticized for YEARS, especially for works like the notorious "piss paintings" and indie movies like Blowjob. you can even look into the times of Shakespeare and Donne. people often talk about the thousands of wannabe poets who would write extremely cheesy love poetry where they compare a woman to a rose or a summer's day, etc. Shakespeare himself even made fun of these poets:

William Shakespeare - Sonnet #18

Shall I compare thee to a Summer's day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And Summer's lease hath all too short a date:
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And oft' is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature's changing course untrimm'd:
But thy eternal Summer shall not fade
Nor lose possession of that fair thou owest;
Nor shall Death brag thou wanderest in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou growest:

So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.

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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"

-T.S. Eliot

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Now if hip hop music is art, it should be boundless. Therefore leaving room for the negatives. Because negativity exists within almost all artforms, just as it does in almost all lifeforms, and if lifeforms create art, then in art negetivity there will be. There are many examples. Shakespeare wrote many tragedies. You must understand that there is a beauty to tragedy. And many of these rappers that you claim aren't hip hop, express the tragedies that have become their lives. Art is full of sensationalism, and that's what people mistake for negativity, resulting in the exclusion of it from being hip hop. Because hip hop is supposed to be positive and problem solving. But what if some problems simply can't be solved? The never ending downward spiral of the "hood" cycle is not a fixable issue. It will continue forever. Sure we can rhyme about ideal solution on how to fix it, but in reality you're rhyming to the wind because, let's face it, sometimes there's not a damn solution to some things. And that becomes the tragedy that so many of these "not hip hop" rappers rhyme about. They understand the tragedy and it fills their mind, and that leaks on to the page. Can you blame them?

A great example of sensationalism is Dr. Dre. Hands down an amazing producer. We all know he wasn't the fullfleged "G" he claimed, but he dropped crazy shit, yes for the money, but also because he has a passion for music. He delivers great works of art thanks to his passion. He's paid for his passion. But what is the price for someone's passionate work. Some think more, some think less. The one's who think more get labeled as corporate. But, in reality that's just a debate over personal worth. Anyways, we all know he wasn't straight rat-a-tat-tat. But, he delivered his rhymes at the mic, then stepped back and laughed about it. He knew the tales he spoke of weren't true. It would be different if he didn't know, and believed his own fantasies. Now when the rapper understands what he is doing, it is pure artistic sensationalism.

Rap/hip hop is one of the most unique artforms. And it is for many reasons. The idea that everytime the rapper says "I" it has to be true about that rapper. And if it isn't, then that rapper is labeled "fake" or a "corporate puppet." But it all depends on where that rapper draws the line between reality and the fiction of his art.

My problem with what people consider hip hop is that there is too much labeling going on. In my opinion, there are many forms of rap that some of you may not consider hip hop, that I do. Hip hop is not a genre by itself. It is a genre of art under the subgenre of music, but it's not a genre of rhyme. In my opinion all other forms of rap fall under the mastergenre of hip hop. So in my opinion all that positive shit that hip hop is supposed to be, deserves the name "positive hip hop." It shouldn't become hip hop by that and by that only.

What I'm saying is, do you think followers of rock began calling Punk, Metal, or Grunge not Rock. Maybe so, but the reality is that it developed out of Rock therefore it is Rock. If gangsta rap, G-Funk, and all the other shit developed out of hip hop then it is hip hop, because it sure as hell didn't develop out of anything else.

look, to me, if an emcee grew up rich as fuck and didn't do a single day of hard work but REALLY wants to rap about gangsta shit because they want to and are talented and do it in an original way, then more power to them. it's the same premise as Martin Scorcese with his gangster movies. dude wasn't a mobster, but he was intrigued by the mafia so he made classic movies about it. what i consider a sellout move is when an emcee grew up in the burbs and someone tells him "hey, you will make money if you rap about the hood" so even though it isn't that intriguing to him, he raps about it anyways and obviously doesn't know wtf he's talking about (*cough* Rick Ross).

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you, my friend, have been reading too many Greek epic poems

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meh... better than reading too many porn mags.

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Yep, that is another aspect. It can be considered storytelling, or whatever. And to continue the point, when one really did or does live that life, there is just a bit more respect and complete credibility. Bla, bla, bla, yeah good point though.

Damn I_Guy thats a good explanation. Thats how i feel aswell.

why u people consider MATERIALISM and acting like a COON being a art form ?? yo I_Guy i see u are a very smart person how can't u understand that HE had the choice to be no COON and still get money and create art his personality and of course Pac's and the rests contributed to the denigration of our culture we grasp the concept that humans are in somehow bad creatures but we can't tolerate something that is destroying our culture the basis of this MOVEMENT is that stop the tolerance for bad music regardless her genre or being underground or not people tolerated to much this kind of shit thats why our culture denigrated look at Jazz music Jazz had the power to stand to the waves of a capitalist consumer culture and survive from beginnings in early 1910s to freaking now 2009 make the freakin math I_Guy what are u saying has nothing to do whit ART but rather tolerate the so called evolution of art but i got news for u bro thats not EVOLUTION the evolution of music now days is not EVOLUTION is devolution