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How Do You Define Underground Hip Hop?
Uncharted Date: Saturday, 20/Jun/09, 12:14 PM | Message # 76

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eboyd Date: Saturday, 20/Jun/09, 2:27 PM | Message # 77

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eboyd Date: Thursday, 25/Jun/09, 3:09 PM | Message # 78

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There is an actual mainstream culture that makes up the majority of people that pay attention to the entertainment industry and dictate which music is "mainstream

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EmSeeD Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 2:05 AM | Message # 79

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i was thinking even though Underground may not be a "sound", Mainstream IS a sound. For example when i was listening to the track eboyd posted of him and those other dudes on the song "running through the cypher" there was one dude that i said sounded way too mainstream because he sounded exactly like lil wayne. So i think mainstream is definitely a sound.

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LoveThatHipHop Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 2:33 AM | Message # 80

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it's music that hasn't been recognized, maybe because of a too different sound, an unpopular appeal, or just has been too quite. I can't say all underground is better than stuff we hate to hear on the radio. Like mainstream crap, there is underground crap.

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eboyd Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 5:04 AM | Message # 81

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i was thinking even though Underground may not be a "sound", Mainstream IS a sound. For example when i was listening to the track eboyd posted of him and those other dudes on the song "running through the cypher" there was one dude that i said sounded way too mainstream because he sounded exactly like lil wayne. So i think mainstream is definitely a sound.

someone sounded like Wayne on that track? which one?

and no, if mainstream was a sound, Lil Wayne would sound exactly like Soulja Boy and Andre 3000 and Common, etc. COMMERCIAL rap may have a few different sounds in which many artists sound the same, but even still, it's not just one sound and that isn't an automatic factor. the reason it is like that is because (and this is from insider information that i learned this) A&R's have the hardest and most unstable job in the business and if they make one wrong move and sign someone who flops they get fired on the spot usually so to stabilize their jobs a bit they have created formulas to decide which artists get signed and an artist has to fit this formula in order to get signed. this has only happened in the last 10-15 years, so prior to that even commercial rap didn't have a specific sound. it was just whatever the people thought was hot. now the old white guys who don't know/care about hip hop, but they see it as profitable so they just care if the numbers are coming in and if they don't, the A&R who signed him/her is gone. believe me, any myth of there being a "mainstream/underground/commercial/old school/golden age/etc sound" is lying through their teeth. those are simply symbols that are incompatible with describing actual sounds, but rather they describe either periods of time or cultural status of a specific sound. nothing more.

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Like mainstream crap, there is underground crap.

exactly what i've been saying.


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EmSeeD Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 5:46 AM | Message # 82

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and no, if mainstream was a sound, Lil Wayne would sound exactly like Soulja Boy and Andre 3000 and Common, etc. COMMERCIAL rap

mainstream sound is the current popular trend,

i'm not sure if it was the running through the cypher song or another song but there was some guy you didn't like on some track and said he sounded like a lil wayne clone.


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eboyd Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 6:01 AM | Message # 83

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mainstream sound is the current popular trend,

no, mainstream sound doesn't exist because mainstream, just as underground, albeit less diverse, is still very eclectic and has too many trademark sounds to hold it to one sound. commercial sound is what is popular and even that has different elements, like Lil Wayne, for example, sounds nothing like Kid Cudi who in turn sounds nothing like Soulja Boy.

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i'm not sure if it was the running through the cypher song or another song but there was some guy you didn't like on some track and said he sounded like a lil wayne clone.

that had to have been that "Bars Freestyle Part 5" by Vigalantee. the guy at the beginning. i'd never get on a track with someone that sounded like Lil Wayne.


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Chinita Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 10:48 AM | Message # 84

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i dont keep up with media much so sometimes i get lost with whos underground or not. thats why i stick to the term thats used, real hip hop, whether mainstream hip hop like mos def, nas or underground like wise intelligent, cyne.

Here is an article i was going to post awhile back from a site i think called underground hip hop headquarters, don't know how accurate it is, but i'll post it here because its got some good info, dont know if any of us will agree with it all but its a start to get a better idea of the underground..leave ur comments or opinions on this article if u like.

What Is Underground Hip Hop?

Underground hip hop fans are some of the most dedicated and opinionated people there are, so people are going to love to argue about what constitutes “the underground”…

A simple way to define it, though, is that it is a group of artists that are not in the mainstream media, tend to sell less, and/or have a style that deviates greatly from the norm.

“The underground” is a term usually applied to the collective group of artists with mild success but relatively little exposure…Keep in mind, however, that underground hip-hop varies widely from country to country and even region to region…A rapper can fall into “the underground” due to changes in time, social climate, geography, etc…De La Soul may be well respected and relatively successful but if you find any kids listening to them nowadays they’re probably fans of the underground.

In some cases one can be a mainstream and an underground hip hop artist (to an extent). Usually when this happens it’s because an artist fits more into one of the categories but has music that also fits in with the other.

Crooked I, for example, though signed to Deathrow Records is still pretty much "underground hip hop" but did come out with a mainstream record in his collaboration with Ashanti. On the flip side, the Jay-Z or Jadakiss songs that underground heads listen to are not the same ones that high school girls in the suburbs listen to.

The Scene:
The underground hip hop scene consists of street corner ciphers, battle tournaments, selling CD’s out of trunks, “mixtapes”, performances at local clubs/schools/fairs, college radio, you name it…

In the last few years The Internet has been bringing tremendous exposure to underground hip hop artists by allowing them to sell more easily and to a wider audience, by giving a forum to fans from around the globe to interact and learn about lesser-known artists from other regions, and perhaps most importantly by allowing eager fans to cultivate an underground that is increasingly separating itself from mainstream hip-hop. The Internet is also a means for hip-hop fans to anonymously practice their rhyme skills and potentially get deeper into the game…thus, jumping into the underground scene and increasing the pool of underground hip hop artists.

Who Is Underground Hip Hop?

For simplicity's sake we've created three (rough) categories for underground hip hop artists. Keep in mind that being classified into one of these categories is not necessarily permanent.

1) Rappers who have found their niche and are satisfied. It is rare to find a rapper who will admit to being “satisfied” with being underground, but many have learned to be just that. Many make a very decent living from their craft and are pretty much content to be where they’re at, not sweating making it big. To be fair, these rappers know that they have achieved a level of success that many aspiring rappers never achieve at all. To these underground artists it is many times more satisfying and even sometimes more profitable, to cut out middle-men and keep a larger percentage of their revenue from sales, albeit from a smaller market.

2) Rappers who want to "blow-up" but don’t want to (or can’t) change their style to adapt to a mainstream audience. A lot of times rappers in this situation want to make it on MTV and the whole 9 yards but want to force their current style onto the mainstream. While a rapper can and should always be true to themselves, artists should have an understanding of the basic things that people who buy their records are looking for (We’ll leave that for another section). Needless to say, these rappers usually get “stuck” in the underground against their will for failure to plan, among other things.

3) Come-ups. These are rappers that have a well thought-out and prepared plan for success which includes coming up through the underground hip-hop scene. Sometimes these are rappers who are signed to a record label and are guided in the process, other times it is done in a more independent fashion. Journalist, for example, is an underground rapper who was signed to Universal Records, had an impressive debut on Canibus’ “2000 B.C.” album…but was unable to break into the mainstream when his own album finally dropped…Cassidy is another example of a rapper who came up battling in the underground hip hop scene before he made it big. Keep in mind that “come-up” rappers are not guaranteed fame.

Note: Mainstream rappers can and do occasionally drop records that appeal more to undergound hip hop fans (sometimes genuinely, sometimes as a promotional stunt). This falls into the gray area between mainstream and underground hip hop. Furthermore, some rappers such as Talib Kweli still have a largely underground fan base and are considered underground while enjoying a fair amount of mainstream success.

Can You Make A Living As An Underground Hip Hop Artist?

Yes. There are a number of underground hip hop artists who make a living from their craft. Masta Ace, Canibus, and Talib Kweli to name a few. Their revenue usually comes from record sales, merchandise, and getting booked for shows.

However, for every artist that is able to live comfortably from doing what they love most, there are many more who can’t. Most underground artists (even some with record deals) are forced to have some sort of part-time job to make ends meet. As of 2008 the underground music scene for all genres has been steadily expanding due to the continuous growth of the internet. This is great news for aspiring musicians the world over.


Chinita Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 11:07 AM | Message # 85

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just thought i'd post this, meaning of underground hip hop in wiki..

Underground Hip hop is an umbrella term for Hip hop music outside the general commercial canon[1]. The term is almost exclusively associated with independent artists, signed to small independent labels or no label at all. Underground hip hop is often characterized by having more socially conscious, positive, or anti-commercial lyrics than the mainstream[2]; however, there is no unifying or universal theme. Many artists produce music that celebrate the fundamental elements or pillars of Hip Hop culture: graffiti, b-boying, turntablism, and MCing. "The Underground" can also refer to the community of musicians, fans and others that support non-commercial, or independent Hip Hop.


EmSeeD Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 7:30 PM | Message # 86

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no, mainstream sound doesn't exist because mainstream, just as underground, albeit less diverse, is still very eclectic and has too many trademark sounds to hold it to one sound. commercial sound is what is popular and even that has different elements, like Lil Wayne, for example, sounds nothing like Kid Cudi who in turn sounds nothing like Soulja Boy.

i didn't say every mainstream rapper all sound exactly the same.

i would consider "Abstract Hip Hop" to be an underground sound. i'm not saying underground is a certain sound but i'm just putting it out there


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Menace Date: Sunday, 12/Jul/09, 7:53 PM | Message # 87

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in the mainstream it's less diversify so it's bound the mainstream to become more limited when it comes to sound that's why so often the term mainstream is branded as a sound

Melhex Date: Tuesday, 21/Jul/09, 7:03 PM | Message # 88

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I define it as this, pay close attention when you read this, i just had a beer too.....lol

The Underground is undiscovered Good treasure buried in the sand waiting to be found, problem is, you got ass hats that are too lazy to use a shovel to dig it up. (Look It Up) Cats are to lazy to listen, (Def Ears) and when they do listen they are to stupid to understand the treasure (Brain Dead/Stupid)....This is Melhex definition of Underground...


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