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Is the end of Hip Hop Inevitable?
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 5:09 PM | Message # 46 |
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Quote (Melhex) Common never made an impact on anybody (Me) when he first started, he is not relevant to make any comments (In my opinion) never bought a common album, never will, did not care for him when he first started out, i probably can pick out one or two songs i like by him, but not tripping on him. Common Fans bring it.... If people were saying in the 90's hip hop was dead! Wait a minute everybody knows hip hop was NOT dead in the 90's and thats a proven fact. Everybody was eating at the table.. there were a lot of hip hop heads in the 90's that didn't like the west coast gansta rap, that's why they thought it was dying, that's why KRS-One made Return of the Boom Bap in 93. KRS-One - Stop Frontin' - 1993 Bo! Boom bye bye, hip-hop will never die Despite the fact that I'm fly I'm never dry You could beat me, cheat me, when you meet me try to defeat me But nevertheless you'll have stress, cause I don't rest You wanna know what my problem is, if you're curious?? I take this hip-hop shit too serious!! I forget that other rappers ain't true to this So when they grab the mic I get hyped like LET'S DO THIS!! All my rhymes are fat, while rappers are skimpy, wimpy So I simply chew they crew like a Blimpie Skip me when you dissin, skip me when you on a ego mission.. I blow up, like nitroglycerin! You better tune in to Teddy Ted "Yo stop frontin', and use your head" [KRS-One] Well if you ain't called it hip-hop, there's a door, I ain't stoppin I got more flavors than Baskin Robbins! I flash the funky fresh flavors force-fully Freak the phonies and flip philosophy constantly (true!) That reminds me, rappers rock drip-drop Not hip-hop, they wanna SING and all dem ting Thank God KRS is still rappin; all that "ooh I love you baby" and "blink blink blink" - this ain't happenin I'm not saying it was dead then, and i don't think its dead now either, yes it doesn't get anywhere near as much radio play and yes maybe its not as alive now as it was in the 90's but its still alive. you can even argue that in the 90's it wasn't as alive as it was in the 80's or 70's.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 5:41 PM | Message # 47 |
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Quote (Menace) you capitalists twist that word is SUPPLY AND DEMAND NOT DEMAND AND SUPPLY the public does not actually demand something you say like actually people WANT something people don't want shit why you think Crank that got so many demands ?? because it was played literally all over again on the radio it was played like over and over and over that's why it got so much demands because we all know labels got deals or own some radio stations and TV stations and they push their shit come on J breakz you saw an artists contract ? i bet you didn't artists are like prisoners now days if they don't do how they tell em they don't eat they are so many clauses in a major label contract is like your loosing your civil rights LMAO The radio is used to play those songs like the tv plays commercials. and idk, it's easy for the general ppl to like a song wit a simple melody and memorable hook especially when theyr at a party or dance. Ive showed ppl the music i listen to and they thought it was complete crap because they couldn't dance to it or sing a hook or anything. Mainstream music dumbs down all the genres but that dusn't necessarily mean the ppl don't want it to be dumbed down too. And from what I read, major record label executives are def shady. If ur gonna be signed to a major record label u should think of ur music as an product rather than art because that's how ur music is goin to be treated by the executives.
livin life like some cheesy movie
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| Melhex |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 7:17 PM | Message # 48 |
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Quote (EmSeeD) there were a lot of hip hop heads in the 90's that didn't like the west coast gansta rap, that's why they thought it was dying, that's why KRS-One made Return of the Boom Bap in 93. It was dying to the east coast artist maybe, cause they didn't want to let west coast gangsta rap in, this i don't know other than east coast west coast wars, which should not have even been. All the hype about that drama i ignored, cause when everybody was coming out, i was buying there tape without regards to what the beef was, and it didn't matter what coast it was on.b That stuff is wack and egos get the trippin dont excite me...And officially KRS One fell off somewhere in them 90's i can remember, there was'nt a lot of talk of him at least in my area. So if he said that, he was speaking of his own issues maybe, record sells drop for him.I don't know, but do you understand HOW MANY ARTIST was coming threw back than? EVERYBODY was getting on and getting paid.....LOL And remember people i am only speaking from my own experiences with this shit i did not read a book or ask anybody whats going on, I was my own big brother, there was know wikipedia or internet to tell me about shit, my only source was TV and Radio, i lived threw this shit like many others in the group...... I'm thinking i might have to bring in more cats that i know personally to back me, cause it helps to have people you grew up with, with the same damn story, opinions and experiences....... 
The Artisan (AKA) The Answer
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 7:23 PM | Message # 49 |
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like i said i'm not saying it was dead in the 90's, to me the golden age would be 88-94/95, but to a lot of other people it was dying
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| Menace |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 9:05 PM | Message # 50 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) And from what I read, major record label executives are def shady. If ur gonna be signed to a major record label u should think of ur music as an product rather than art because that's how ur music is goin to be treated by the executives. exactly so how can do music in that way as an artist ? come on let's be real here let's let our personal biases and shit out how can music be good when a dude who has no musical qualifications dictates what it played and what is not ? and how an artist can do music when he must make a product ? how can he do music when he must limit his musical creativity to stick to some shit that a dude whit no musical qualifications told him to ? come on man you making this look all dandy it's not man lets be real here music must be music and people like whatever you give them musical history itself is as proof Oh and El matador you said your name is Miguel no ? 
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| Melhex |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 9:18 PM | Message # 51 |
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Quote (EmSeeD) like i said i'm not saying it was dead in the 90's, to me the golden age would be 88-94/95, but to a lot of other people it was dying I feel what you sayin... 
The Artisan (AKA) The Answer
Message edited by Melhex - Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 9:19 PM
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| Menace |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 9:32 PM | Message # 52 |
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THE END IS HERE !!!!!!!!!!! THE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND !!
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 9:33 PM | Message # 53 |
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Quote (Menace) exactly so how can do music in that way as an artist ? come on let's be real here let's let our personal biases and shit out how can music be good when a dude who has no musical qualifications dictates what it played and what is not ? and how an artist can do music when he must make a product ? how can he do music when he must limit his musical creativity to stick to some shit that a dude whit no musical qualifications told him to ? come on man you making this look all dandy it's not man lets be real here music must be music and people like whatever you give them musical history itself is as proof I don't really care because there's always goin to be real music in the world. And I don't mind what they play in the radio because I never listen to it lol.
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| Melhex |
Date: Saturday, 08/Aug/09, 10:32 PM | Message # 54 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) I don't really care because there's always goin to be real music in the world. And I don't mind what they play in the radio because I never listen to it lol. I can understand and respect that attitude towards it...Peace Fam 
The Artisan (AKA) The Answer
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 09/Aug/09, 10:11 AM | Message # 55 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) I don't really care because there's always goin to be real music in the world. And I don't mind what they play in the radio because I never listen to it lol. yes i understand that but there was no reason to argue whit Mel yes he formulated his opinion in a harsh way but he said the same thing i said and as for not caring about the radio yes but you know isolation is not good at all
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 09/Aug/09, 3:13 PM | Message # 56 |
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Quote (Menace) yes but you know isolation is not good at all I just choose to not listen to it because they don't play anything I like. Why would I listen to the radio if I don't wanna support any of the music being played on there? What does that have to do with isolation? I still have the internet and TV for news.
livin life like some cheesy movie
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| Em-See'D |
Date: Monday, 17/Aug/09, 6:04 PM | Message # 57 |
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[quote=Melhex]officially KRS One fell off somewhere in them 90's i can remember, there was'nt a lot of talk of him at least in my area. So if he said that, he was speaking of his own issues maybe, record sells drop for him.I don't know, but do you understand HOW MANY ARTIST was coming threw back than? EVERYBODY was getting on and getting paid.....LOL[/quote] "To take hip hop back that's whats happening" - Jeru Tha Damaja 1994
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Monday, 17/Aug/09, 11:54 PM | Message # 58 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) don't really care because there's always goin to be real music in the world. And I don't mind what they play in the radio because I never listen to it lol. Word. I NEVER listen to the radio. What I don't get.... What I HONESTLY don't get, is..... Why are we trying to force our music onto the radio? Cleary, some people simply hate real hiphop. That is their problem. They don't like it. They can't relate to it. They never will like it. So what is the point in arguing that our music is any more artistic, or "Deep", or real? There is no point. If it ever does go on the radio, people won't listen to it because people don't like our music. And you know that if it were the OTHER way around, and Real shit was on the radio, and considered "mainstream", and then some cat named soulja boy jumped up and was like "I'm real, I'm underground" we would be like "Fuck off." because we like our music better. So what is the point? There is no point in fighting it. You can't just force people to like your music, and vice versa.
Life's a bitch and I'm just along for the ride.
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| Menace |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 12:48 PM | Message # 59 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) Word. I NEVER listen to the radio. What I don't get.... What I HONESTLY don't get, is..... Why are we trying to force our music onto the radio? Cleary, some people simply hate real hiphop. That is their problem. They don't like it. They can't relate to it. They never will like it. So what is the point in arguing that our music is any more artistic, or "Deep", or real? There is no point. If it ever does go on the radio, people won't listen to it because people don't like our music. And you know that if it were the OTHER way around, and Real shit was on the radio, and considered "mainstream", and then some cat named soulja boy jumped up and was like "I'm real, I'm underground" we would be like "Fuck off." because we like our music better. So what is the point? There is no point in fighting it. You can't just force people to like your music, and vice versa. are you retarded ?? or a hypocrite ? you were bragging about giving equal airplay to artists and now you asking why we push real hip hop on the radio man you need to pick your thoughts up because their are spread everywhere you don't even make sense how can we balance the airwaves ?? how can save hip hop from disappearance when hip hop is merging whit pop ?? and PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING NOW WHAT THEY WANT IS SUPPLY AND DEMAND NOT DEMAND AND SUPPLY so to excuse whack shit for people liking it is sheer ignorance because in the 90's for example we had MC Hammer on MTV and after his song whit was a Paris or Jeru song so what about that ?? it was like that because nobody had a monopoly on shit everybody got their airplay Quote (J-Breakz) I just choose to not listen to it because they don't play anything I like. Why would I listen to the radio if I don't wanna support any of the music being played on there? What does that have to do with isolation? I still have the internet and TV for news. you isolate real hip hop only in the underground isolation means ultimately disappearance it happened before whit others its happening right now whit hip hop people ignore music history because they want to live in their fairy tale land where hip hop is living forever
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 1:24 PM | Message # 60 |
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But if no one is going to want it on the air besides us, it will never actually survive on the air.
Life's a bitch and I'm just along for the ride.
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