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Is the end of Hip Hop Inevitable?
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| Menace |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 3:10 PM | Message # 61 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) But if no one is going to want it on the air besides us, it will never actually survive on the air. wow dude you still don't understand how business works nobody actually wants shit business doesn't work as that they got something called radio programing which decides what will be aired and what not this radio programing is influenced now days by a kind corporate lobbying which influences what is put on airplay they block the airplay whit their influence and put their own artists on the roast 24/7 this is called capitalist competition this competition proved not to be healthy for music because it cuts musical creativity from the artists this competition creates a one way road which everyone follows instead of stimulating artistic creativity
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| Menace |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 3:14 PM | Message # 62 |
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and one thing more back in the days it was something called Freeform radio in which the radio was given total control over what music to play, regardless of music genre or commercial interests. While now days is not like that.
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| Watcher |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 5:32 PM | Message # 63 |
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[quote=Menace]you isolate real hip hop only in the underground isolation means ultimately disappearance it happened before whit others its happening right now whit hip hop people ignore music history because they want to live in their fairy tale land where hip hop is living forever [/quote] Well okay, I won't listen to the radio until they start playing real music. and if there's a demand there will always be a supply
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 5:48 PM | Message # 64 |
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that's why new young people have to come independently and do something different to change it all, make dope shit but manage to sell a lot too.
http://chirbit.com/emseed http://youtube.com/siwooot
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| Menace |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:10 PM | Message # 65 |
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Quote (EmSeeD) that's why new young people have to come independently and do something different to change it all, make dope shit but manage to sell a lot too. you can't really fight against centralized business even as Independent you as an artist need to know business so you can manipulate the industry sorta like Nas does but in a more harder way more authoritative way i might say Quote (Watcher) Well okay, I won't listen to the radio until they start playing real music. and if there's a demand there will always be a supply well there is never a demand there is just the supply the supply overloads and the people demand it
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:17 PM | Message # 66 |
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i was reading how all the radio stations were bought out by the same companies or something like that, so they can control everything on the radio, the same songs get played over and over now more then before
http://chirbit.com/emseed http://youtube.com/siwooot
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| Menace |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:20 PM | Message # 67 |
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Quote (EmSeeD) i was reading how all the radio stations were bought out by the same companies or something like that, so they can control everything on the radio, the same songs get played over and over now more then before yes that's called monopolization they put a monopoly on everything and they give airplay only to their peers oh and I'm happy and glad somebody finally understands it 
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| Watcher |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:25 PM | Message # 68 |
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[quote=Menace]yes that's called monopolization they put a monopoly on everything and they give airplay only to their peers oh and I'm happy and glad somebody finally understands it [/quote] well its obvious there's a monopoly, but the thing is there really is a large demand for real music that is heard all over the internet and even TV. People are willing to pay money for real music meaning that real music is always going to be around. It's funny that it seems like no one notices that real hip hop isn't getting mainstream attention. Neither is real rock music, or funk, or real r&b.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:27 PM | Message # 69 |
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[edit] It's funny that it seems like no one notices that its not just real hip hop isn't getting mainstream attention.
livin life like some cheesy movie
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:29 PM | Message # 70 |
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i agree, but the thing is real hip hop has to get the youth, coz its the younger generation that really keeps it going, even if you look at the "real emcees" most of them are either in their 30's or at least late 20's. mainstream market the younger generation and a lot of the people in mainstream music are in their early 20's or younger. if hip hop is to live it needs to get to a younger audience with younger artists
http://chirbit.com/emseed http://youtube.com/siwooot
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:40 PM | Message # 71 |
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Whoa whoa whoa... Ok I knew that record companies treat your music like a shirt, or something you can just flat out buy, and not like art.... But I thought music was run by DJ's? Damn..... That makes sense. Because I can recall 4 times vividly where I called the same radio station on 4 different times, and reqeusted Tupac. They only played him once, and it was when I requested "California Love' which just happens to be his Number 1 hit. It's all making sense I guess.. But wait, they don't have any control over what is played?!?!?
Life's a bitch and I'm just along for the ride.
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| Menace |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:51 PM | Message # 72 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) But wait, they don't have any control over what is played?!?!? nope only Freeform ones have that power the rest get their orders from the top Quote (Watcher) well its obvious there's a monopoly, but the thing is there really is a large demand for real music that is heard all over the internet and even TV. People are willing to pay money for real music meaning that real music is always going to be around. It's funny that it seems like no one notices that real hip hop isn't getting mainstream attention. Neither is real rock music, or funk, or real r&b. yes most definitely i had some time ago that big argument whit ilikebacon3000 about that Blink rock band being fake and real Punk not getting exposure and all the crap Quote (EmSeeD) i agree, but the thing is real hip hop has to get the youth, coz its the younger generation that really keeps it going, even if you look at the "real emcees" most of them are either in their 30's or at least late 20's. mainstream market the younger generation and a lot of the people in mainstream music are in their early 20's or younger. if hip hop is to live it needs to get to a younger audience with younger artists yes Emseed but young people are young their minds are young they can't resist the temptations if we really think about it even adults buy into consumerism what you would want from kids then ?? the artists age does not matter because if you don't have a balanced airwaves the kids will never gonna get into real hip hop and let's be serious conscious adults buy into that bullshit i don't mind the kids i mind adults doing the superman LOL
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 6:56 PM | Message # 73 |
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Quote (Menace) yes most definitely i had some time ago that big argument whit ilikebacon3000 about that Blink rock band being fake and real Punk not getting exposure and all the crap I remeber that haha. I still think that no matter how big an artist is or whatever, that doesn't make the music any less artistic. I hate most of Lil Wayne's material, but to him it's "art" and if people want to buy it thinking it is deep and that Lollipop's mean something, let them be fooled. Quote (Menace) i don't mind the kids i mind adults doing the superman LOL Yeah the kids dont know better because the adults are the ones feeding them the bullshit. That makes sense. (No sarcasm)
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| Menace |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 7:07 PM | Message # 74 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) I still think that no matter how big an artist is or whatever, that doesn't make the music any less artistic. I hate most of Lil Wayne's material, but to him it's "art" and if people want to buy it thinking it is deep and that Lollipop's mean something, let them be fooled. man i personally never blamed neither the people are the artists everywhere where i spoke about hip hop i spoke about how the business works in fact if Wayne or other people could be given their artistic power back i bet they will actually do something creative why shouldn't they ?? let me tell yaal something when you put artists to compete whit each other then music gets better we need competition on a musical level so that creativity can come back not some dudes in suits buying random radio stations and cutting deals music must be music i always said Quote (ilikebacon3000) Yeah the kids dont know better because the adults are the ones feeding them the bullshit. That makes sense. yeah most shit now days is caused because of dumb ass parents and i don't mean now parents must be so authoritative as some parents are like they don't let their kids watch TV or other stuff i mean modulate your child's mind make them think let them create standards and values whit their own minds there are parents that do that and did that many of us here i think have such parents and we don't even know that
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Tuesday, 18/Aug/09, 7:29 PM | Message # 75 |
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Quote (Menace) yes Emseed but young people are young their minds are young they can't resist the temptations if we really think about it even adults buy into consumerism what you would want from kids then ?? the artists age does not matter because if you don't have a balanced airwaves the kids will never gonna get into real hip hop and let's be serious conscious adults buy into that bullshit i don't mind the kids i mind adults doing the superman LOL well kids used to listen to the same hip hop we listen to, like i said if there were emcee's that can appeal to them and change the trends it will get the interest of the corporations. Because of the internet i think its going to make it easier for independent artists if they're smart and work hard, people can do it without the help of radio. ICP i don't really listen to them but they never get radio play yet they still have a huge following and sell well.
http://chirbit.com/emseed http://youtube.com/siwooot
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