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Religion: Real or Fake
I_Guy Date: Tuesday, 21/Apr/09, 1:52 AM | Message # 1

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What began this thread:
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Religious folks need to give up.


We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
s0dr2 Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 12:00 PM | Message # 256

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70% of the historical facts from the bible are taken from the Torah and the Jewish religion you fail miserably to recognize the universality of religion that's why i call you a sectarian because you deny everything and everyone exact like someone that's in a sect or a religious fundamentalist

wow u still didnt answer my question

also, Christianity FOLLOWS the judaism religion!!!!!!!!!! that's why all the customs and such are the same, Jesus Himself was jewish

also, why do you said i fail miserably without even hearing my response, why do you think you must be always right?

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may aswell close this hes just looking for attention

no im not....your only angry with me because i dont believe what you do.

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For all we know, the Bible could have been written only 200 years ago by people who studied the rulers at those times to make it seem like the truth.
Can you say..."PWN3D."

wow...ever hear of carbon dating?

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All monothiestic religions believe in the same god, with a different perspective, but the same concept, and neither one of them can be confirmed, so therefor they are the same.

that is your opinion when you say they cant be confirmed okay, now please try to understand me here, i know logic must be tough coming from islam and jumpin all over the place with your beliefs

IF CHRISTIANITY SAYS THAT ISLAM IS WRONG

AND ISLAM SAYS CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG

AND JUDAISM SAYS THEY'RE BOTH WRONG

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THEY WORSHIP THE SAME GOD????????????????????????

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!?!


"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

ill Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 12:38 PM | Message # 257

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no im saying that cos your argument is whack, and what question didnt he answer..

i asked you before but you ignored me, why did you originaly believe in god?


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Menace Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 1:09 PM | Message # 258

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also, Christianity FOLLOWS the judaism religion!!!!!!!!!! that's why all the customs and such are the same, Jesus Himself was jewish

bang so you worship the same God LOL you fucked yourself up and all these 3 religions worship Abraham's God namely Yahweh these 3 religions worship this singular deity named Yahweh in translation it means Jehovah. The first edition of the official Vatican Nova Vulgata Bibliorum Sacrorum, published in 1979, used the form Iahveh for rendering the Tetragrammaton and the Sacred Scriptures Bethel Edition inserts the name Yahweh in the New Testament . Muslims and Jews worships Abraham's Yahweh too you can find it as YHWH


Furious_Pryme Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 6:51 PM | Message # 259

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that is your opinion when you say they cant be confirmed okay, now please try to understand me here, i know logic must be tough coming from islam and jumpin all over the place with your beliefs
IF CHRISTIANITY SAYS THAT ISLAM IS WRONG
AND ISLAM SAYS CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG
AND JUDAISM SAYS THEY'RE BOTH WRONG
PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THEY WORSHIP THE SAME GOD????????????????????????
DO YOU UNDERSTAND

You would have to be without doubt the most fakest person ever!
dude stop acting like you know everything about religion but you dont know shit
about it and you always talk about "sex" you been "gay" etc etc last time i checked
the bible says god dont like gay people also no real christian talks about sex as much as you do
i mean its clear your a virgin..anyways dude just give up on the religion man find yourself
something thats real to believe in.

this wasnt a diss by the way i was just making a point

Furious_Pryme Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 7:05 PM | Message # 260

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And Jesus is not God.

weird i believe jesus was real i dont believe he was white
tho he would of had to have been brown or atleast near it
no way in hell was he white. naw have blonde hair or look like a hippie
jesus wore wu-tang t-shirts and army pants with his boxers hanging
out & and a backwards hat trust me im not joking me n jesus shop at the same mall
Furious_Pryme Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 7:13 PM | Message # 261

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He sounds like a cool dude.

Yeah his alright kinda up himself i mean yeah big deal he can walk on water
so what i fought in WW2 with 1 bullet in my hand!
also his bit of an alcaholic i mean we was out one time at the beach
so he goes and turns it into wine. his got a nice car tho


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ill Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 7:22 PM | Message # 262

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i mean yeah big deal he can walk on water

word chuck norris doesnt need to walk on water, he swims thru land

chuck > jesus


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s0dr2 Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 10:03 PM | Message # 263

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bang so you worship the same God LOL you fucked yourself up and all these 3 religions worship Abraham's God namely Yahweh these 3 religions worship this singular deity named Yahweh in translation it means Jehovah. The first edition of the official Vatican Nova Vulgata Bibliorum Sacrorum, published in 1979, used the form Iahveh for rendering the Tetragrammaton and the Sacred Scriptures Bethel Edition inserts the name Yahweh in the New Testament . Muslims and Jews worships Abraham's Yahweh too you can find it as YHWH

okay, last thing cause i dont wanna spend a century on this topic....Jesus = God...if jews and muslims reject Jesus, then they don't follow the Christian God. end of story.

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You would have to be without doubt the most fakest person ever!
dude stop acting like you know everything about religion but you dont know shit
about it and you always talk about "sex" you been "gay" etc etc last time i checked
the bible says god dont like gay people also no real christian talks about sex as much as you do
i mean its clear your a virgin..anyways dude just give up on the religion man find yourself
something thats real to believe in.

whats wrong with you man, im trying to explain something so clear,& yes you are insulting
1. i know the BASICS of my religion, its not rocket science
2. God likes gays, he doesnt like adultery
3. give up on religion and find something real to believe in? who says its not real? what you're saying is only your opinion...to say that RELIGION IS FAKE is not a FACT unless you have PROOF....you don't have it, you only have a lack of proof (argument from ignorance)
4. stay out of this argument if you have nothing important to say other than pointless insults

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And Jesus is not God.

that's 100% just like me saying Jesus is God without elabourating ...but let me elabourate anyways:

Before Jesus, there were prophets who foretold His coming, this is a FACT, we have these records that date before His time. ok there are literally hundreds, just look at this site
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html
the ONLY explanation you have is that CHRISTIANS went out of their way and wrote a fake account of a man named Jesus who fulfilled all of these

why do people still refuse to listen? the Bible says there are only wise and foolish people living on this earth....you have people like 8diag and king who are aggressive and insult me SIMPLY because i believe in the literal truth of the Bible (taken in correct context)...what is that?? thats only getting us no where

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word chuck norris doesnt need to walk on water, he swims thru land
chuck > jesus

why?

if someone proposes that you have the potential of going to a place called hell, you would MOST DEFINITELY look into what he's saying and take the matter seriously....i beg you to be serious when dealing w/ religion


"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Message edited by sodr2 - Monday, 11/May/09, 10:01 PM
Furious_Pryme Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 10:16 PM | Message # 264

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whats wrong with you man, im trying to explain something so clear,& yes you are insulting
1. i know the BASICS of my religion, its not rocket science
2. God likes gays, he doesnt like adultery
3. give up on religion and find something real to believe in? who says its not real? what you're saying is only your opinion...to say that RELIGION IS FAKE is not a FACT unless you have PROOF....you don't have it, you only have a lack of proof (argument from ignorance)
4. stay out of this argument if you have nothing important to say other than pointless insults

1.You only know about your religion from books or family or some kinda presist maybe
that doesnt mean u know a thing about it it could have been changed over the years
2.God likes gays?..really?
3.there are fact that say religion is not real im not saying religion itself isnt real
im saying whats in the bible didnt happen or couldnt have happened! the bible
is a book of short storys alot of stuff in it makes some sense but then theres some of it
in witch make no sense what so ever, also the fact that there has been no proof
of any of this is just another reason why i dont believe in it!
5.dude how did i insult you? its people like you who insult people trying
to tell people there going to go to hell etc etc its people like you that are the reason
i hate religion you can have your opinion on it im not trying to change that.
s0dr2 Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 11:03 PM | Message # 265

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you're putting words in my mouth. never once did i say to ANYONE that they will go to hell if they refuse Christianity. i know that they all know well what Christianity believes the fate for nonnbelievers will be

THAT is not the way to convert anyone....its first by telling the person how much Jesus has done for them life.

also, you have insulted me by quoting my entire post and calling me fake (which i dont even know what you mean by that)

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1.You only know about your religion from books or family or some kinda presist maybe
that doesnt mean u know a thing about it it could have been changed over the years

huh?

WHAT?!

have you ever heard of something called the Bible? Christianity believes solely in what the Bible teaches, nothing else. the Bible has never changed, there is something called the dead sea scrolls which have been recently discovered that confirm the Bible's accuracy

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2.God likes gays?..really?

sexual orientation has nothing to do with it....its about how you let your emotions (or lust) guide you into doing things like adultery, which God doesn't like
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3.there are fact that say religion is not real

care to elaborate? i am intrigued.
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im saying whats in the bible didnt happen or couldnt have happened! the bible
is a book of short storys alot of stuff in it makes some sense but then theres some of it
in witch make no sense what so ever, also the fact that there has been no proof
of any of this is just another reason why i dont believe in it!

okay, im not sure if you were here earlier in this argument, but i was arguing how the Bible contains historical truth...all the kings of the bible existed, this is a FACT, its full of dates, names of the rulers at that time, etc etc....ALSO think about this please:
if God really did exist, then you know very well that things like the red sea splitting is possible.....so this is basically what you're saying: God doesn't exist, therefore miracles can't happen. there are miracles in the Bible which "sound like stories that make no sense", therefore God doesn't exist......this my friend is called circular logic
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5.dude how did i insult you? its people like you who insult people trying
to tell people there going to go to hell etc etc its people like you that are the reason
i hate religion you can have your opinion on it im not trying to change that.

read above


"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

EmSeeD Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 11:35 PM | Message # 266

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i'm not so sure if the prophets in the bible have been historically proven, is there any proof they existed? any proof the kings of Israel existed?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah#The_Kings_of_Judah

its fact, not fiction like 99% of the religions out there in their holy books

that's just an article on when theolgans and historians believe they could have lived but as far as i know they've never found they're temples or anything, as far as i know there is only a small tablet that says something about King David and some other references here and there about the other kings. But i guess this could be since Israel was conqured and attacked by so many different countries and ruled by so many different kingdoms i guess that could explain why there's isn't much evidence for the kings of israels kingdom.


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s0dr2 Date: Monday, 11/May/09, 11:40 PM | Message # 267

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as far as i know they've never found they're temples or anything

BUILT BY SOLOMON:
here you go, nice and big for everyone to see:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped....aza.jpg
(just click the link because its too big here)
oh and no way did you just say that the kings of the bible didnt exist...we can trace back to each and every one, you cant just label that link as "made up" by theologians...it was made by HISTORIANS
ALSO
http://www.bibleplaces.com/


"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Message edited by sodr2 - Tuesday, 12/May/09, 9:36 PM
ill Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 5:52 AM | Message # 268

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i asked you before but you ignored me, why did you originaly believe in god


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s0dr2 Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 11:47 AM | Message # 269

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ill, please read my previous posts

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Message edited by sodr2 - Tuesday, 12/May/09, 11:49 AM
ill Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 12:47 PM | Message # 270

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just say man its not hard is it

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