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I_Guy Date: Tuesday, 21/Apr/09, 1:52 AM | Message # 1

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What began this thread:
http://realhiphop4ever.ucoz.com/forum/12-1890-1

Religious folks need to give up.


We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
Menace Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 2:30 PM | Message # 271

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okay, last thing cause i dont wanna spend a century on this topic....Jesus = God...if jews and muslims reject Jesus, then they don't follow the Christian God. end of story.

LOL so you reject Yahweh ?? but he is in the Bible Yahweh is in the Koran and Torah too so you reject Abraham's God namely Yahweh ?? last time i checked in the original formed Bible God was called Yahweh the same as Jews called him and later the Muslims LOL man do your studies and note that is not a language thing Yahweh was the name given to this singular deity so it can be recognized by the people because in the time of the Ancient Hebrews small monotheistic religions existed so if these 3 religions pray to Yahweh they pray to the same GOD


s0dr2 Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 8:03 PM | Message # 272

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just say man its not hard is it

ill you've GOT TO BE JOKING....take the time to read my last posts in the previous page


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ill Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 8:10 PM | Message # 273

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? it doesnt say why you chose christianity, what i mean is when did you think ahh this is the "true" religion and why

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s0dr2 Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 8:23 PM | Message # 274

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LOL so you reject Yahweh ?? but he is in the Bible Yahweh is in the Koran and Torah too so you reject Abraham's God namely Yahweh ?? last time i checked in the original formed Bible God was called Yahweh the same as Jews called him and later the Muslims LOL man do your studies and note that is not a language thing Yahweh was the name given to this singular deity so it can be recognized by the people because in the time of the Ancient Hebrews small monotheistic religions existed so if these 3 religions pray to Yahweh they pray to the same GOD

i dont reject Yahweh, the jews reject Him. God is ONE in THREE persons, they only believe in one....so you're right in a way

but you have no justification saying that islam worships Yahweh....Muhammad stole MOST contents and ideas from the Bible and the Torah, you only have to read & compare those texts to find out...anyone can say they worship a god named yahweh, but they are obviously wrong when they say things like he loves evil and is not a god of peace, and islam is not the religion of peace, plus the Bible warns of false prophets that will arise...seems like people werent paying attention

one last thing, islam says that christians and jews dont believe in the true god because they claim their books were altered or changed, so read this see how this is wrong and the weakness in islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahrif#Modern_Christian_refutation


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ill Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 8:36 PM | Message # 275

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s0dr2 Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 9:35 PM | Message # 276

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ill dont worry, ill answer your question in a second...
just a side note to menace...

if One God X preaches love and peace, and One God Y preaches hatred and violence, then even though these religions might be monotheistic and worship a god called yahweh, they obviously don't worship the same god.

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? it doesnt say why you chose christianity, what i mean is when did you think ahh this is the "true" religion and why

alright fine, keep in mind this is a very general and broad topic... i didnt choose christianity, i was born into it....then after i grew in it, i scrutinized my beliefs and came to the conclusion that it is the "true"' religion (i prefer REVEALED religion)

this is all just copy and past from my previous post

Before Jesus, there were prophets who foretold His coming, this is a FACT, we have these records that date before His time. ok there are literally hundreds, just look at this site
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html
a few include
* be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2)
* come before the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 CE (Daniel 9:24-25) <---this did happen, therefore judaism has missed their messiah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_ (70)
* have a miraculous birth (Isaiah 7:14)
* be despised and rejected by his people (Isaiah 53:3)
* die for us by crucifixion (Psalm 22:16; Isaiah 53:5)
* be resurrected from the dead (Psalm 16:10)
all these scriptures date before Jesus' time. God and His plan has been revealed by the prophets, and this has been amply authenticated by absolutely reliable witnesses (prophets, saints, etc who never even knew each other, but lived throughout several centuries) all recorded in the bookS of the Bible (not one book), not to mention the revalation of Jesus Christ who was a real person that existed, and is even found in other religions, except the fact of His ressurection
that is the main reason why I'm a Christian, not to mention miracles, and how other religions cannot be true...

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now i dont know if you're asking why GOD exists, so ill just assume that he does for the sake of the question........you would figure that one of these religions have to be right (process of elimination)

- cross out all polytheistic religions (only one god can exist, if there were two infinite gods, they would limit each other and no longer be infinite.......you dont see two kings ruling a country...these religions also don't contain any historical evidence behind it in their holy books.....also there can only be a perfect, NON human god to truly be a deity, not a materialistic idol made by humans, even ask Aristotle who said there is no way for a polytheism to be real, because the gods would not really be gods, but one God could exist

now i dont know if you like that explanation or not (there are probably better)

- cross out all new religious movements....obviously, the older the religion, the more likely it is to be true

just crossing out those two types of religions eliminates like 90% of all religions


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Message edited by sodr2 - Tuesday, 12/May/09, 9:40 PM
Lord_Meth Date: Tuesday, 12/May/09, 9:54 PM | Message # 277

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holy fountains!!
this thread is still alive!!
LMAO!
Have yall not ran out of things to argue about?


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s0dr2 Date: Wednesday, 13/May/09, 0:03 AM | Message # 278

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Have yall not ran out of things to argue about?

IMO there is nothing better to argue in anything in life than religion

if something says you can go to an ETERNITY of happiness or damnation, if its right or wrong, we should be looking into it with caution, cause the things in this world pass away


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EmSeeD Date: Wednesday, 13/May/09, 3:49 AM | Message # 279

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BUILT BY SOLOMON:
here you go, nice and big for everyone to see:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped....aza.jpg
(just click the link because its too big here)
oh and no way did you just say that the kings of the bible didnt exist...we can trace back to each and every one, you cant just label that link as "made up" by theologians...it was made by HISTORIANS

nah that was built by King Herod, the one built by Solomon was destroyed. and i asked for sources outside of the bible. I mean yeah i know you can't dismiss the bible records etc as being made up but there isn't much outside of the bible i don't think, i'm not too sure though maybe i'm wrong.


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Menace Date: Wednesday, 13/May/09, 7:42 AM | Message # 280

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i dont reject Yahweh, the jews reject Him. God is ONE in THREE persons, they only believe in one....so you're right in a way

but you have no justification saying that islam worships Yahweh....Muhammad stole MOST contents and ideas from the Bible and the Torah, you only have to read & compare those texts to find out...anyone can say they worship a god named yahweh, but they are obviously wrong when they say things like he loves evil and is not a god of peace, and islam is not the religion of peace, plus the Bible warns of false prophets that will arise...seems like people werent paying attention

LOL now you jump to conclusions about Islam LMAO man don't start using this shit cause i can show you Christianities dark past really quick these 3 religions worship the same God namely Yahweh they pray to the God of Abraham evolution in religion is something very often but at the base they worship the same God the ancient Hebrew's God ( Yahweh ) and dude guess who's the most quoted prophet in Islam ?? Jesus yup mister Jesus instead of being so sectarian and disrespecting other religions try to find common ground whit them because finding common ground whit them means having peace and harmony my city was part of the Ottoman Empire and half are Muslims half Christians and you can see Mosques next to Churches and the level of religious tolerance is very high in fact there is a feel of fraternal love


s0dr2 Date: Wednesday, 13/May/09, 12:09 PM | Message # 281

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if One God X preaches love and peace, and One God Y preaches hatred and violence, then even though these religions might be monotheistic and worship a god called yahweh, they obviously don't worship the same god.

did you read what i said?

also, do i care if Jesus is the most quoted? what does that have to do with anything?

show me Christianity's "dark past" during the early apostolic age....

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you can see Mosques next to Churches and the level of religious tolerance is very high in fact there is a feel of fraternal love

yeah right, im from egypt....any time they build a church, muslims come in and build a mosque right beside it and make it bigger with higher towers.......fraternal love? man they dont even allow people to convert to christianity, if they do they get tortured, what kind of fraternal love is taht?

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LOL now you jump to conclusions about Islam LMAO man don't start using this shit cause i can show you Christianities dark past really quick these 3 religions worship the same God namely Yahweh they pray to the God of Abraham evolution in religion is something very often but at the base they worship the same God the ancient Hebrew's God ( Yahweh ) and dude guess who's the most quoted prophet in Islam ?? Jesus yup mister Jesus instead of being so sectarian and disrespecting other religions try to find common ground whit them because finding common ground whit them means having peace and harmony my city was part of the Ottoman Empire and half are Muslims half Christians and you can see Mosques next to Churches and the level of religious tolerance is very high in fact there is a feel of fraternal love

i'm jumping to conclusions???????? i stated EVIDENCE for what i said about islam, it is well known that muhammad DID steal most of the ideas from judaism and christiantiy, and the Bible warns of false prophets, im only repeating myself here it seems you dont want to listen and want to move onto Christianity's "dark past" (for which there are none, but im willing to see what you have)

and you still didnt say why they worship the same god, only that they share the same name...read what i said again:
if One God X preaches love and peace, and One God Y preaches hatred and violence, then even though these religions might be monotheistic and worship a god called yahweh, they obviously don't worship the same god.

it s not rocket science,.....but keep in mind ill agree thatt judaism and christianity worships the same God (sort of)


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Menace Date: Wednesday, 13/May/09, 12:39 PM | Message # 282

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man you just a sectarian exactly what you said was used in history to kill and murderer and what Christianity did ? Christianity is at the base of monarchic absolutism why you think Emperor Constantine converted ?? Constantine naturally patronized a religion which inculcated passive obedience to princes, and maintained his divine right to rule according to the principles of despotism. Paganism never lent itself in this manner to the ambition of tyrants; Olympus was a kind of Republic, and it was always favorable to popular liberty. Christianity practically gave birth to the concept of absolute monarchy until then such heavy centralization in the western world never existed Christianity was the gateway to grab power and justify it for almost 2000 years . - quote from the book " From Christ to Constantine: The Trial and Testimony of the Early Church "

so Christianity played a pivotal role in the creation of the deadly absolutist monarchies that ruled the world for almost 2000 years and destroyed civilzations after civilzations so dude stop playing the blame game ok ?


EmSeeD Date: Wednesday, 13/May/09, 11:04 PM | Message # 283

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sodr did you see my question?

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Menace Date: Thursday, 14/May/09, 12:35 PM | Message # 284

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sodr did you see my question?

let him be man he is a top notch sectarian he never is impartial even if he is wrong


s0dr2 Date: Thursday, 14/May/09, 4:43 PM | Message # 285

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man you just a sectarian exactly what you said was used in history to kill and murderer and what Christianity did ? Christianity is at the base of monarchic absolutism why you think Emperor Constantine converted ?? Constantine naturally patronized a religion which inculcated passive obedience to princes, and maintained his divine right to rule according to the principles of despotism. Paganism never lent itself in this manner to the ambition of tyrants; Olympus was a kind of Republic, and it was always favorable to popular liberty. Christianity practically gave birth to the concept of absolute monarchy until then such heavy centralization in the western world never existed Christianity was the gateway to grab power and justify it for almost 2000 years . - quote from the book " From Christ to Constantine: The Trial and Testimony of the Early Church "
so Christianity played a pivotal role in the creation of the deadly absolutist monarchies that ruled the world for almost 2000 years and destroyed civilzations after civilzations so dude stop playing the blame game ok ?

name me one godless society that has lasted longer than 200 years, you can't there isn't one throughout history, they have all been wiped out.......besides i dont know why you're mentioning things like constantine, monarchies or whatever, when we're talking about islam and abrahamic religions

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sodr did you see my question?

srry, post it again

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let him be man he is a top notch sectarian he never is impartial even if he is wrong

let me be? tell me one thing were i was wrong and we'll see where i went wrong. you on the other hand are wrong when you said all abrahamic religions worship the same god, and completely ignored me when i said:

if One God X preaches love and peace, and One God Y preaches hatred and violence, then even though these religions might be monotheistic and worship a god called yahweh, they obviously don't worship the same god.

too bad you're not humble enough to see or admit that you're wrong


"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



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