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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 4:23 PM | Message # 211 |
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Quote (I_Guy) The wealth gap. A wealth gap creates poverty which creates cyclical crime.
Yet countries with the lowest amount of government regulation on the economy seem to have the lowest amount of poverty. Quote (I_Guy) But beings reputation is an invisible element, people can make it seem how ever they want when nothing prevents them.
?? If an italian restaurant cooks good italian food consistently it soon gains a reputation for cooking great italian food. how is my thinking flawed? Quote (I_Guy) Slippery-slope.
All I'm saying is once govn't can start regulating speech there's nothing stopping them from completely taking away our freedom of speech. And history has shown that before.
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 7:06 PM | Message # 212 |
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Capitalism has nothing to do with imperialism. When the govn't isnt refrained by a very clear constitution then imperialism arises. Capital is by its very nature expansionist . Business influences policies the accumulation and centralization of wealth gives one class more influence over another even in a stateless free market social classes will never disappear and along whit them CLASS POWER . Business in conjunction whit the state plan interventionism . When Saddam nationalized the oil industry who lobbied for a military intervention in Iraq ?.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 7:13 PM | Message # 213 |
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Quote (Menace) When Saddam nationalized the oil industry who lobbied for a military intervention in Iraq ?.
If there is no government how would there be military intervention in Iraq or other foreign countries?
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 11:42 PM | Message # 214 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) If there is no government how would there be military intervention in Iraq or other foreign countries? surely a privatized army would arise in your society. there are far too many Americans especially that are all about war and guns and blah blah blah for that not to happen.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 1:03 PM | Message # 215 |
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Quote (eboyd) surely a privatized army would arise in your society. there are far too many Americans especially that are all about war and guns and blah blah blah for that not to happen.
maybe an army thats focus on purely defense, but it would be way too costly for a military to be offensive. Where are they going to get the money from? They can't tax people so if the people don't support it then they don't have to pay. Also, PDAs don't know how powerful retalitory forces and how costly it will be. A corporation can't spend all their time and money on imperialism while trying to maintain their stance in the american market.
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| eboyd |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 3:41 PM | Message # 216 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) A corporation can't spend all their time and money on imperialism while trying to maintain their stance in the american market. ah, but they can expand to other countries while still having their roots in America if the foreign government will give them a chance to make more money, which could potentially lead to an imperialistic attitude, and they can use the money they make overseas to gain more of a monopoly on power in the US (for example, they can use that money to buy out American businesses that are inferior to theirs).
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| eboyd |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 3:42 PM | Message # 217 |
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oh, and let's not forget other countries from outside America building a US market with their government's aide.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 5:54 PM | Message # 218 |
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Quote (eboyd) ah, but they can expand to other countries while still having their roots in America if the foreign government will give them a chance to make more money, which could potentially lead to an imperialistic attitude, and they can use the money they make overseas to gain more of a monopoly on power in the US (for example, they can use that money to buy out American businesses that are inferior to theirs).
Alright, a company doing business outside of america is not imperialism, especially if the foreign govn't is alright with it. Secondly, what would be stopping other companies from doing the same thing? Doing business all around the world, especially in this day and age, is quite common.
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| eboyd |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 6:25 PM | Message # 219 |
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I'm saying, what is stopping it from leading to imperialism? And what another company can easily do, as history shows, and you can agree with this if a government is involved, is create barriers to entry for other companies within the governed country. I would personally contest that there are ways for companies to create barriers of entry even in a completely unregulated economy. It's naïve to assume that the market will simply regulate itself and we should just leave it alone. That's like assuming if you herd up a bunch of dogs who are trained to fight in a cage, not a single one of them will fight another and eventually claim dominance over most if not all of the dogs. It is true that the current government uses regulation as basically a catalyst to make the dog fight worse, but deregulation is not the answer. Using the proper form of regulation is.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 6:37 PM | Message # 220 |
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Quote (eboyd) I'm saying, what is stopping it from leading to imperialism? And what another company can easily do, as history shows, and you can agree with this if a government is involved, is create barriers to entry for other companies within the governed country. I would personally contest that there are ways for companies to create barriers of entry even in a completely unregulated economy. It's naïve to assume that the market will simply regulate itself and we should just leave it alone. That's like assuming if you herd up a bunch of dogs who are trained to fight in a cage, not a single one of them will fight another and eventually claim dominance over most if not all of the dogs. It is true that the current government uses regulation as basically a catalyst to make the dog fight worse, but deregulation is not the answer. Using the proper form of regulation is.
You didn't answer my question. How would one company stop another from doing business outside the country?
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| eboyd |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 9:34 PM | Message # 221 |
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Yes I did. By using the foreign government's aide to create barriers of entry for other companies. Now address my comment please.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 10:01 PM | Message # 222 |
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Quote (eboyd) Yes I did. By using the foreign government's aide to create barriers of entry for other companies. Now address my comment please.
You do realize there are 196 countries in the world right? And just because one company has more sales than another doesn't mean they can offer their product at a cheaper price than their competitor, so the competitors still have opportunity to get sales in their regions.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 10:57 PM | Message # 223 |
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Also, I want to add this cuz apparently there's a misunderstanding of what a monopoly is: A monopoly is when consumers can ONLY buy from one company, not when most consumers buy from one company. Microsoft didn't have a monopoly, cuz there were other options. Standard Oil didn't have a monopoly because there were 147 other oil refineries selling products.
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| eboyd |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 11:06 PM | Message # 224 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) You do realize there are 196 countries in the world right? of which a handful control a very large amount of resources while the rest live in abject poverty. for this reason, it is up to the best companies to choose the most lucrative countries in the world to sell their products and the company who capitalizes on the most overseas markets first gains control. Quote (J-Breakz) And just because one company has more sales than another doesn't mean they can offer their product at a cheaper price than their competitor, so the competitors still have opportunity to get sales in their regions. we have debated this before to which neither of us concluded. the consensus on this remains that predatory pricing can in fact push businesses out of the market, so this isn't a point to argue from. Quote (J-Breakz) Also, I want to add this cuz apparently there's a misunderstanding of what a monopoly is: A monopoly is when consumers can ONLY buy from one company, not when most consumers buy from one company. Microsoft didn't have a monopoly, cuz there were other options. Standard Oil didn't have a monopoly because there were 147 other oil refineries selling products. real monopolies don't exist. they are impossible. even when monopolization is the intent black markets arise, creating other options. either way, this is why i never use the term monopoly when i argue with you. i use the term VIRTUAL monopoly. would you care to address the other comment i posted now?
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 11:19 PM | Message # 225 |
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Quote (eboyd) we have debated this before to which neither of us concluded. the consensus on this remains that predatory pricing can in fact push businesses out of the market, so this isn't a point to argue from. If a real monopoly is impossible than predatory pricing is highly irrational and doesn't make sense.
Quote (eboyd) real monopolies don't exist. they are impossible. even when monopolization is the intent black markets arise, creating other options. either way, this is why i never use the term monopoly when i argue with you. i use the term VIRTUAL monopoly. would you care to address the other comment i posted now? So whats wrong with a company being able to provide products to a large amount of people for a cheaper price than other competitors if a monopoly is impossible? And why should we keep them from providing products at a cheaper price than other competitors? Whats your other comment?
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