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| J-Breakz |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:12 PM | Message # 496 |
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Quote (I_Guy) No one can answer a question like this. You would have to be specific.
I meant are there any credible studies suggesting that there is an abundant (enough for 7 billion people) or unlimited amount of the resources your anarcho-communist society would use to make synthetics? If you can't answer a question like that then what makes you think the venus project would work? Quote (I_Guy) I disagree. You are falling into a this or that fallacy.
How am I falling into a fallacy? and is there any evidence suggesting a monopolized school system is more productive than private schools?
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| I_Guy |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:12 PM | Message # 497 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) How am I falling into a fallacy? and is there any evidence suggesting a monopolized school system is more productive than private schools?
Because there is a such thing as independent cooperative schools. But they have a hard time existing due to the monetary system. Quote (J-Breakz) I meant are there any credible studies suggesting that there is an abundant (enough for 7 billion people) or unlimited amount of the resources your anarcho-communist society would use to make synthetics? If you can't answer a question like that then what makes you think the venus project would work?
I'm not aware of any extensive studies. But these studies is what Fresco has tried to get done for decades. But no one is listening. If the resources aren't available right now, it would be because current industry is inefficient in sustaining and creating resources. Once again, it would be the fault of this system.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:12 PM | Message # 498 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Because there is a such thing as independent cooperative schools. But they have a hard time existing due to the monetary system.
Why's that? Quote (I_Guy) If the resources aren't available right now, it would be because current industry is inefficient in sustaining or creating resources. Once again, it would be the fault of this system.
Creating resources?
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:12 PM | Message # 499 |
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Quote (I_Guy) hat's funny and ironic, because Fresco criticizes Star Trek for the unlikeliness of war existing between such rational people. But to be real, the fact that there is a TV show that shares similarities with the Venus Project means nothing.
No I wasn't trying to imply that because it shares similarities with star trek that it means anything, I was just making a lame joke that didn't deserve much analyzing.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:12 PM | Message # 500 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) But what makes you think that there is enough oil for the venus project to work when pretty much every study available suggests there isn't?
We don't need to use oil. Quote (J-Breakz) Why's that?
Because this system is hostile towards collectives of any kind.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:13 PM | Message # 501 |
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Quote (I_Guy) We don't need to use oil.
What resources do you plan to use? Quote (I_Guy)
Because this system is hostile towards collectives of any kind.
You always do that. You make a statement but don't provide an explanation. Maybe because they are inefficient and not needed in society?? There are cooperatives in a profit driven system, there's one in Brazil I remember watching on youtube that's doing quite good for themselves. I don't necessarily oppose cooperatives, just as long as they're productive to society.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:13 PM | Message # 502 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) What resources do you plan to use?
Oil could be used during transition, and so can fission. But only to get the new technology built. But afterward:
Fusion
Geothermal
Solar
Wind
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Current Quote (J-Breakz) You always do that. You make a statement but don't provide an explanation. Maybe because they are inefficient??
Because it's hard getting people educated enough to collaborate effectively. Money stifles such collectives because the schools would need money from somewhere if they want to operate in this monetary system. Where are they supposed to get their money? Not from government, and not from private sources. Schools that run as a collective would work best in a non-monetary system. But I won't focus to much on that beings you can't seem to understand how a non-monetary system could be possible.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:13 PM | Message # 503 |
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Quote (I_Guy) But I won't focus to much on that beings you can't seem to understand how a non-monetary system could be possible.
You really need to educate yourself on economics.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:13 PM | Message # 504 |
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and history
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| I_Guy |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:13 PM | Message # 505 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) You really need to educate yourself on economics.
Regarding what?
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:13 PM | Message # 506 |
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my old high school is in process of going from the public septic tank of school districts, the LAUSD, to a charter school ran by the community that surrounds it. i am just as opposed to the public school system as you are, but unlike you, i am against it, not because it is public, but because it is run by a board of people who 1. don't give a fuck about the kids and their education, 2. have FAAAAR too many schools to look after in order to even get a decent job done, 3. do their business on the basis of school board politics. i recognize that non-religious private schools are FAAAAR better than public schools, but when a school is run cooperatively and other surrounding schools that are more successful, rather than competing, try to assist the other schools that aren't doing well, the entire school system changes and you will see an increase in educated students as a result. there are, of course, other factors involved, but those are the bare, crude basics. here's an example of a community charter school in the Bronx: http://schools.nyc.gov/OA/SchoolReports/2008-09/Survey_2009_X398.pdf their numbers are pretty damn impressive.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:14 PM | Message # 507 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Regarding what?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_money
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| I_Guy |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:14 PM | Message # 508 |
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What about it? I'm not finding any coherent point here?
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:14 PM | Message # 509 |
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Quote (I_Guy) What about it? I'm not finding any coherent point here? he's trying to say that any form of economic exchange is a monetary system. i'm going to personally have to suspend judgment on this issue because i'm not quite sure i fully understand Fresco's model very well yet.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 11:14 PM | Message # 510 |
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Money is eliminated if scarcity is eliminated. Properly managing and utilizing resources eliminates scarcity. "There’s no shortage of anything except brains." Anarchist ideas will take us there.
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