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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 1:25 PM | Message # 46 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) But the thing is, that shouldn't matter. Because when the most business savvy people are the most successful the consumers get to have the product at the least price, and also limited resources are used at a minimum. yes, but while it is at the least price, you are forgetting that, because macroeconomic efficiency is in no way being taken into account (for this would completely contradict capitalism because the only way to take it into account is through regulation), you risk there being an entire poor class that will not be able to afford even the cheapest things, hence the "fuck them" attitude.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 1:28 PM | Message # 47 |
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Quote (eboyd) yes, but while it is at the least price, you are forgetting that, because macroeconomic efficiency is in no way being taken into account (for this would completely contradict capitalism because the only way to take it into account is through regulation), you risk there being an entire poor class that will not be able to afford even the cheapest things, hence the "fuck them" attitude.
And that is why Taiwan has the lowest poverty right?  God I love Taiwan.
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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 1:41 PM | Message # 48 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) What freedom? Thats like me taking you to court because you won't let me decorate your house, why aren't you letting me build a table for your house, erik!!!? Know what I mean? i'll give you an example: let's say we both have complete "freedom" in the sense you describe it. i decide to kill you because i have the freedom to do so. i have impeded your freedom. that is a blatantly obvious example. there are other examples that are not so blatant. the example we were discussing, for example, is a circumstance of limiting Microsoft's freedom to compete against Novell because that freedom was impeding on Novell's continued existence. if Novell goes out of business people lose their jobs, end up struggling for money, and then you are in another "fuck them" situation. you have now impeded on their freedom as well because you have "killed" their job which they were free to do. yes, they may go to another company, but they will need to spend quite some time recuperating in which time they may lose their house, before getting another job. for this reason, i believe in freedom as long as it doesn't impede on the freedom of others, just as any sane man should. any person who believes in absolute freedom hasn't studied philosophy thoroughly enough.
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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 1:50 PM | Message # 49 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) And that is why Taiwan has the lowest poverty right? there are no countries that actually currently implement the system i am speaking of, but kibbutzes, for example, are communities in which no one is living in poverty. also, Taiwan still goes through the same economic ebbs and flows that any capitalist country will.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 2:37 PM | Message # 50 |
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Quote (eboyd) same economic ebbs and flows that any capitalist country will.
You're talking about recessions? That isn't a bad thing. Recessions are necessary to have companies improve processes to become more efficient in their processes. http://www.moneyunder30.com/why-recessions-are-good-for-our-economy http://www.noobpreneur.com/2008....for-you
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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 3:41 PM | Message # 51 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) You're talking about recessions? That isn't a bad thing. Recessions are necessary to have companies improve processes to become more efficient in their processes. yes, in a capitalist economy where businesses are unregulated. in a participatory economy, however, this is a completely different story. the problem is that you are stuck in the framework of capitalism. i honestly think that you are having trouble conceptualizing an economy that isn't capitalist. try studying the kibbutzen (something i will admit i need to do much more. study their early structure though, not their current structure). it's completely different economically than the capitalist structure that the majority of the world currently lives under.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 3:56 PM | Message # 52 |
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Quote (eboyd) ry studying the kibbutzen (something i will admit i need to do much more. study their early structure though, not their current structure).
Alrite, I'll go ahead and read up about kibbutz and participatory economics. I still am not sure about the efficiency of participatory economics. If I have any criticism or questions I'll let you know.
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| TheWatcher |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 4:38 PM | Message # 53 |
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Having monopoly on the market Microsoft's OS dictates what apps people use . If it comes whit the package people use it . Nobody really demands it . It simply comes whit the package . Microsoft's OS is the prime example of ruthless monopolizing . The Microsoft OS has IE built in it, without it you couldn't download any application at all in the first place. It's simply the default browser but there are better products out there such as Mozilla Firefox/Opera/Google Chrome and we're able to download all of them which is why I'm using Google Chrome right now on a Microsoft product. Microsoft & Apple didn't hesitate to "borrow" from other companies though and the GUI (Graphical User Interface) was first developed by Xerox and then "borrowed" by Apple and then by Microsoft. Ironically some Apple guy accused Bill Gates of stealing the GUI from them and Bill responded with: "No, Steve, I think it's more like we both have a rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said: "Hey, that's no fair, I wanted to steal the TV set!"
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 4:42 PM | Message # 54 |
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Quote (TheWatcher) The Microsoft OS has IE built in it, without it you couldn't download any application at all in the first place. It's simply the default browser but there are better products out there such as Mozilla Firefox/Opera/Google Chrome and we're able to download all of them which is why I'm using Google Chrome right now on a Microsoft product. Microsoft & Apple didn't hesitate to "borrow" from other companies though and the GUI (Graphical User Interface) was first developed by Xerox and then "borrowed" by Apple and then by Microsoft. Ironically some Apple guy accused Bill Gates of stealing the GUI from them and Bill responded with: "No, Steve, I think it's more like we both have a rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said: "Hey, that's no fair, I wanted to steal the TV set!"
Haha, Yeah, I love how Steve Jobs got pissed. That's so funny haha.
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| TheWatcher |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 4:53 PM | Message # 55 |
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Quote (eboyd) In most cases, when companies like Microsoft try to limit their OS so only certain specific or their special computer language is used, they end up shooting themselves in the foot.
how so? all the stories i've heard show that it has ended up working to the benefit of Microsoft. I don't quite understand the Novell case you all were on about. If Novell's product wasn't compatible with Microsoft's OS then that is their fault, not Microsoft's. Microsoft allows you to use any program you want as far as I know but for Apple you usually need special apple-made programs, apple-made drivers & apple-made programs which is partly why Microsoft simply kicks Apple's ass. The only reason for why Apple is making more money than Microsoft right now is because of the iPod/iPhone thing, their computers still suck imo.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 5:01 PM | Message # 56 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) So? it makes people feel good. There are people who enjoy these things, who are you to say they shouldn't exist just because they're not educational?
I am no one to say. All I can do is expose people to pragmatic reasons to do certain things. If they aren't rational enough to understand the stakes involved then they are doomed to Idiot America. Quote (J-Breakz) And that is why Taiwan has the lowest poverty right? God I love Taiwan.
Give Taiwan 50 years and see if they aren't shoulder high in corruption and instability. Capitalist economies have a limited lifespan before it terns into something else.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 5:08 PM | Message # 57 |
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Quote (TheWatcher) I don't quite understand the Novell case you all were on about. If Novell's product wasn't compatible with Microsoft's OS then that is their fault, not Microsoft's. Microsoft allows you to use any program you want as far as I know but for Apple you usually need special apple-made programs, apple-made drivers & apple-made programs which is partly why Microsoft simply kicks Apple's ass. The only reason for why Apple is making more money than Microsoft right now is because of the iPod/iPhone thing, their computers still suck imo.
Microsoft has proprietary API's. I think that was the main reason of the court cases. But Microsoft still never held any monopoly.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 5:12 PM | Message # 58 |
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So what happens when machines replace common workers?
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 5:13 PM | Message # 59 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Give Taiwan 50 years and see if they aren't shoulder high in corruption and instability. Capitalist economies have a limited lifespan before it terns into something else.
Every political and economic philosophy has a limited lifespan. Even ur venus project ppl say they're system isn't perfect, and they're right even though I think they say that in an attempt to disassociate themselves with communism.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Tuesday, 05/Jan/10, 5:15 PM | Message # 60 |
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Quote (I_Guy) So what happens when machines replace common workers?
Workers are forced to educate themselves to get better jobs. Everybody is responsible for their own success and happiness in capitalism. That's what's so beautiful about it.
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