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People Knocking Jay Z
11thPlague Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:25 PM | Message # 106

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laugh at stuff like this because most of you all act as if he's the only one who's dumbed it down. He just put it out there unlike most.

It's close minded shit like this as to why I choose not to participate in discussions like this because if someone defends Jay, he's considered a dickrider or a "pop bopper".

Honestly, Jay "selling out" is one of the reasons why I enjoy Jay-Z. Say what you will but dude is versatile. he can give you shit for the clubs one song & can get on some introspective shit the next. This is one of the reasons why I have Jay over Nas on my top 10. I fuck with Nas to the fullest but Nas (outside of "Hate Me Now" & I honestly thought that was Puff's doing IMO) has NEVER really been good for making other shit outside the intellectual & introspective music. I can truly say that when I listen to any party track by Jay, I enjoy because everything's usually solid from the hook, to the beat & the lyrics is for the most part straight.

The ONLY knock I can really see is that he does bite lyrics at times but even that can be overblown a bit.

I don't need to hear introspective stuff ALL the time when I'm listening to my music. Good music is good music, whether it sound commercial or underground. I just get plain tired of the "if it's commercial, then it's bullshit" mantra I see from some (keyword in this is SOME) of the underground heads around here & at other places.

& "Reasonable Doubt" IMO, is FAR from being overrated but that's just me. Jay just gets hate because he's popular & he sells records. If he was some underground head spitting the shit he used to do before "In My Lifetime Vol. 1" he wouldn't recieve HALF the hate he gets.

Hell, he'd probably be praised if anything.

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But how's Jay contributing to the death of hip-hop? Seriously, this is the same dude that big upped M.I.C. (Monsta Island Czars) & other dope lrycists. If the music's good to me, than it's good.

One thing I DON'T do is bump & listen to wack artists (at least IMO.)

Jay might do it for the money but I think at least he cares about the state of hip-hop as much as any other cat that cares about the game.

I mean, shouldn't you try to make a living off what you love?

Co Sign on that
This is true but people dont realize it

Lord_Meth Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:26 PM | Message # 107

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But how's Jay contributing to the death of hip-hop? Seriously, this is the same dude that big upped M.I.C. (Monsta Island Czars) & other dope lrycists. If the music's good to me, than it's good.
One thing I DON'T do is bump & listen to wack artists (at least IMO.)
Jay might do it for the money but I think at least he cares about the state of hip-hop as much as any other cat that cares about the game.
I mean, shouldn't you try to make a living off what you love?

Of course u can make money off wat u love but selling out and doing it JUST for the money isnt good
How can u possibly care about the State of Hip Hop and ur making music just for commercial success?
Thats a very thoughtful artist I tell ya (sarcasim)
And if u believe everything ur being led to believe by the mainstream, god help u cuz ur in for a real bad awakening dawg


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SnoopG79 Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:29 PM | Message # 108

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i love them man too sick, stick around on the site its cool we got strong opinions on alot of subjects but its all love

Nah cuz, I'm not worried about that because as you see, I have strong opinions too. Besides, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. LOL

& M.I.C. is fuckin' sick. Wish Megalon was still in the group. "A Penny For Your Thoughts" is a dope ass album.


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Lord_Meth Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:30 PM | Message # 109

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Nah cuz, I'm not worried about that because as you see, I have strong opinions too. Besides, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. LOL

nice Team America quote


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11thPlague Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:30 PM | Message # 110

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And if u believe everything ur being led to believe by the mainstream, god help u cuz ur in for a real bad awakening dawg

LOL what bad awakening he aint saying shit about mainstream music

Do you have to be intellectual introspective ALL the time? no you dont

He doesnt commercial stuff and real stuff

He aint bad

I dont get where yall get that shit from

PNobleDaLyricist Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:30 PM | Message # 111

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JAY-Z DIDNT FREESTYLE DAT SHIT WIT BIG L DAT YEAR...LOOK AT DIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....rl=http


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SnoopG79 Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:32 PM | Message # 112

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And if u believe everything ur being led to believe by the mainstream, god help u cuz ur in for a real bad awakening dawg

I don't believe everything by the mainstream though. If I did, I would be saying Lil' Wayne is the GOAT & some more shit. LOL


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ill Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:33 PM | Message # 113

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JAY-Z DIDNT FREESTYLE DAT SHIT WIT BIG L DAT YEAR...LOOK AT DIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....rl=http

Big l didnt freestyle that shit either, no one really freestyles anymore


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AruNavi Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:34 PM | Message # 114

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"The Blueprint", "The Black Album" & "American Gangster" are all good to solid albums IMO.

whaaaaaaaaaat...... blueprint was ovrshadowed by the one collab eminem roooofl. it was ok at best. black album was... a 67pct and american gangster bombed.he bit em to ahahahaha SUCCESS NIGGA


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i woulda done rubber matches if i new u was gone bite Aru Navi/

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH i love this line

how did i bite aru navi? just curious...
uz every verse he did in dat battle, he tried flipping my verse every single time...it was work n until i won lol but yea u basically tried 2 flip da 1st verse like him
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Lord_Meth Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:35 PM | Message # 115

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LOL what bad awakening he aint saying shit about mainstream music
Do you have to be intellectual introspective ALL the time? no you dont
He doesnt commercial stuff and real stuff
He aint bad
I dont get where yall get that shit from

*huff*
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This is not as easy as I was hoping..........
Ya kno wat fine Im just gonna go on wat yall guys say for now on............
Who cares wat Hip Hop means nowadays!!
Fuck that!!
thats all Golden Age talk!!
Its all about music now, no self respect or dignity anymore
Hell with knowledge, thats for nerds!!!
If Jay-Z is still reppin Hip Hop, that means Lil Wayne is doing just a good job as he is


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SnoopG79 Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:37 PM | Message # 116

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LOL what bad awakening he aint saying shit about mainstream music
Do you have to be intellectual introspective ALL the time? no you dont
He doesnt commercial stuff and real stuff
He aint bad
I dont get where yall get that shit from

That's all that I'm saying. I don't mind a track for the clubs as long as it's ENJOYABLE & IMO, he makes good party records.

No one was saying this "sell out" shit when BDK was making "Smooth Operator" or when Rob Base made "It Takes Two".


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AruNavi Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:39 PM | Message # 117

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bdk fell off 2 become some sexgod. i aint mad ill take pussy to lmao

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i woulda done rubber matches if i new u was gone bite Aru Navi/

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH i love this line

how did i bite aru navi? just curious...
uz every verse he did in dat battle, he tried flipping my verse every single time...it was work n until i won lol but yea u basically tried 2 flip da 1st verse like him
Aru Navi says-"Cause I beez da shitz." West Coast King Style

SnoopG79 Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:40 PM | Message # 118

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whaaaaaaaaaat...... blueprint was ovrshadowed by the one collab eminem roooofl. it was ok at best. black album was... a 67pct and american gangster bombed.he bit em to ahahahaha SUCCESS NIGGA

That's YOUR opinion though. All I'm saying is that to say Jay-Z is wack is kinda stretching it. WACK is Soulja Boy. Jay DOES have skills as a rapper. For example, I'm not the biggest One Be Lo fan but I respect his SKILL as a lryicist.


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AruNavi Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:43 PM | Message # 119

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he isnt wackkkkkkkk wink just decent and hella overrated

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I am probably RHH4 asshole of the site lmao

THE PUREST MC=ME ARU NAVI My brother=Menace Uncharted
My wife=Chinita the Beautiful
My rival=LaPen
My niggas=Eboyd Kiba Pen LaPen Lord Meth P Noble NtG Render 11thPlauge

i woulda done rubber matches if i new u was gone bite Aru Navi/

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH i love this line

how did i bite aru navi? just curious...
uz every verse he did in dat battle, he tried flipping my verse every single time...it was work n until i won lol but yea u basically tried 2 flip da 1st verse like him
Aru Navi says-"Cause I beez da shitz." West Coast King Style

Lord_Meth Date: Sunday, 15/Feb/09, 4:43 PM | Message # 120

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I understand wat u mean when u say Jay-Z is ok

but saying that he sold out doesnt matter is pure bullshit

He went from 22 Two's to Roc Boys........ dry
Cmon now.........


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